'Everyone I know who bought an electric car has gone back…’
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Plenty of us on here like to disagree about a certain EV brand, but ultimately most I suspect agree on easy EVs are to live with.
Just read this piece in the Times, its got a bit of EV bashing from all angles, even taking about the grid melting.......Its pretty hard to see how mass EV adoption can occur when national newspapers are printing this type of tosh.
Just read this piece in the Times, its got a bit of EV bashing from all angles, even taking about the grid melting.......Its pretty hard to see how mass EV adoption can occur when national newspapers are printing this type of tosh.
I'm sure there are plenty of people who switched due to reasons of fashion or tax saving who didn't have a usage pattern in any way compatible with EV so have gone back to ICE. Significant reductions in quite a lot of drivers mileages over the past 18 months will also have affected the financial benefits for many I'm sure.
As an example we've gone from running 2 EVs and covering 2000 miles per month at the start of 2020 to 1 EV and 500-750 miles for the past year and a bit. No plans to go back personally as think EV makes for a perfect daily, but can see why some would do, especially if the BIK saving isn't a factor.
As an example we've gone from running 2 EVs and covering 2000 miles per month at the start of 2020 to 1 EV and 500-750 miles for the past year and a bit. No plans to go back personally as think EV makes for a perfect daily, but can see why some would do, especially if the BIK saving isn't a factor.
Discombobulate said:
To be fair to The Times that was a crosshead of a quote from a trader (and one with his head firmly in the sand).
Tbh it's a very typical media tactic. Trump was/is great at it."I didn't say the stupid thing, but people are saying the stupid thing that I may or may not agree with, in any case it suits my narrative and we're both talking about it now so how stupid really was it? But I was just repeating someone else though."
ZesPak said:
Anonymous-poster said:
Speaking to the sales manager at the Jag showroom and he said most ipace returns were being replaced with ICE.
Most?Most??
What are the others replacing it with??
One of my friends purchased a new Model 3 about 9mths ago. Prior to that he had a Mitsubishi Outlander PHEV but had become a Tesla convert and every conversation was dominated by how Tesla was the best thing since sliced bread. I bumped into him last week, having not seen him for some time due to Covid. He is back in a Mitsubishi PHEV and was hugely disillusioned by the Tesla. His words, 'piece of crap', atrocious build quality, 'cheap materials', rubbish fit & finish', 'rubbish ride quality', 'too much hassle when undertaking longer journey's'. And too expensive when compared to the overall cost of running the Mitsubishi, where he can still do his daily commute on battery power.
I was surprised and disappointed by his comments. Due to his enthusiasm and information about Tesla, I had started to seriously consider one when the time came to replace my 440i. Now I'm not so sure. He did say that the 0-60 of 4.5sec became boring quickly. I'm not so sure about that from personal experience :-)
I was surprised and disappointed by his comments. Due to his enthusiasm and information about Tesla, I had started to seriously consider one when the time came to replace my 440i. Now I'm not so sure. He did say that the 0-60 of 4.5sec became boring quickly. I'm not so sure about that from personal experience :-)
We bought an i3S a couple of weeks ago. Honeymoon period it may be, but we'll never go back to ICE for our runabout car now.
In fact, if/when someone makes a twin-cab pick up for Europe that's EV I'll get out of my Amarok for one too.
Happy to keep an ICE for high-days and trackdays but for me, the ICE is a relic of the past confined to enjoyment. I know it my circumstances won't apply to everyone else but the amount of people for whom a car is just transport who can't make do with an EV must be very small.
In fact, if/when someone makes a twin-cab pick up for Europe that's EV I'll get out of my Amarok for one too.
Happy to keep an ICE for high-days and trackdays but for me, the ICE is a relic of the past confined to enjoyment. I know it my circumstances won't apply to everyone else but the amount of people for whom a car is just transport who can't make do with an EV must be very small.
SWoll said:
ZesPak said:
Anonymous-poster said:
Speaking to the sales manager at the Jag showroom and he said most ipace returns were being replaced with ICE.
Most?Most??
What are the others replacing it with??
I’ve just gone from a Model 3P to a used VW Up GTI
Nothing to do with EV vs ICE, I just wanted a very small sporty car and whilst the Honda e came close, there just isn’t a small sporty ev on the market that I fancied
I’ll be back in an ev as soon as there is one, and the wife is staying with ev
Nothing to do with EV vs ICE, I just wanted a very small sporty car and whilst the Honda e came close, there just isn’t a small sporty ev on the market that I fancied
I’ll be back in an ev as soon as there is one, and the wife is staying with ev
LaurasOtherHalf said:
I know it my circumstances won't apply to everyone else but the amount of people for whom a car is just transport who can't make do with an EV must be very small.
For a start, 40% of people can't charge at home, with the charging network we have a the moment in the UK that alone is a massive problem.I'm lucky, I can charge at home, but if I couldn't the nearest fast charger is 3 miles away and there are only two. The closest Superchargers are 18 miles away.
ZesPak said:
SWoll said:
ZesPak said:
Anonymous-poster said:
Speaking to the sales manager at the Jag showroom and he said most ipace returns were being replaced with ICE.
Most?Most??
What are the others replacing it with??
TheRainMaker said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
I know it my circumstances won't apply to everyone else but the amount of people for whom a car is just transport who can't make do with an EV must be very small.
For a start, 40% of people can't charge at home, with the charging network we have a the moment in the UK that alone is a massive problem.I'm lucky, I can charge at home, but if I couldn't the nearest fast charger is 3 miles away and there are only two. The closest Superchargers are 18 miles away.
emperorburger said:
My general observation is that EV's seem to be driven very sedately. I assume published range doesn't get anywhere close to reality if driven like an ICE. Range anxiety must be very stressful.
2 years and 25k miles of EV driving here. Gets driven no differently to previous ICE and never suffered with range anxiety.You do need to consider if it suits your usage before buying, as with any purchase. Schmee is a perfect example, lives in Central London, can't charge at home, does regular long trips, buys a very inefficient EV with no dedicated network and then moans about it. What a muppet.
RizzoTheRat said:
TheRainMaker said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
I know it my circumstances won't apply to everyone else but the amount of people for whom a car is just transport who can't make do with an EV must be very small.
For a start, 40% of people can't charge at home, with the charging network we have a the moment in the UK that alone is a massive problem.I'm lucky, I can charge at home, but if I couldn't the nearest fast charger is 3 miles away and there are only two. The closest Superchargers are 18 miles away.
What is the 40% made up of, the U.K. population or a sub set who own cars?
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