Will an EV do this?
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The Rotrex Kid

33,818 posts

181 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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A ZOE would probably be the closest you’re going to get.

Worth a watch

https://youtu.be/wd2ArceiJd0

DSLiverpool

15,973 posts

223 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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Zoe with biggest battery would do it, had one for 2 years - make sure it has heated seats.

aestetix1

873 posts

72 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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It's the size that is the issue. Range wise there are loads of options, Kona, ID.3, eNiro, Leaf... The Kona is only a few millimetres bigger than the i3, could you not squeeze that in?

Jaykay495

42 posts

99 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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Mr Escobar.....is that you?

In my experience, you can have sustained higher speed or you can have range. Pick one.

4Q

3,593 posts

165 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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My Kona prestige (64kWh battery) does well over 200 miles between charges. Air-con and radio are always on. I’m not what you’d call a sedate driver either biggrin You could rent one for a month from someone like ON.to to see how you get along with one before committing. I started with them with a Zoe but it wasn’t quite big enough for me and swapped to the Kona. Saves me £100 a week in fuel compared to using my RR which was my daily.

Edited by 4Q on Monday 31st May 09:23

RizzoTheRat

27,777 posts

213 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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aestetix1 said:
It's the size that is the issue. Range wise there are loads of options, Kona, ID.3, eNiro, Leaf... The Kona is only a few millimetres bigger than the i3, could you not squeeze that in?
Yeah, plenty in his size criteria too (mini, e-208, fiat 500...) but without the range.

So maybe modify the above to you can have size, range or speed but not all 3

ChocolateFrog

34,645 posts

194 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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The biggest battery ID3 would do it easily.


Mr E

22,672 posts

280 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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fesuvious said:
But can an EV at the current tech level do it?

Oh, has to be a small one. The BMW i3 is absolutely the max size (parking).
In the winter, at those speeds and with a safety margin I think you’ll want at least 70KWh. So, no. Not in the size profile.

SWoll

21,645 posts

279 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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A 2018 94ah i3 Rex would seem to be the best solution? I'd also suggest go for the S model as more stable at higher motorway speeds.

ajprice

31,866 posts

217 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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EVM posted a video a few days ago doing a journey economically on the way there (50-60, behind a truck when he could etc) and the return journey at national motorway speed as a normal driver when the speed limit is 70mph officer wink . Efficiency went from 5.1 to 3.8 miles/kWh. At 3.8 it's more likely that you would need to charge, then the journey time depends on the charging speed of the car and charger, so you get a tortoise and hare situation of driving at 50-60mph without charging is faster that 70mph officer with a charge.

https://youtu.be/CRwGtpdI_o4

Mr E

22,672 posts

280 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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ajprice said:
;) . Efficiency went from 5.1 to 3.8 miles/kWh.
My commute is 17 miles down the motorway and a couple of miles at 20-50mph at either end.
I drive it at an indicated 70-75mph, and I know the Speedo is optimistic.

I’m showing 3.6miles/KW.

If the OP wants to be amongst the faster flowing traffic on the typical motorway in the depths of winter, I’d reckon that drops to 3miles/KW.

Battery size maths is relatively trivial from there. How much margin do you want for the unexpected.

(Edit; worth noting that my crappy nissan isn’t the most advanced ev available. Something else may well be more efficient at speed. If you’re closer to 4miles/KW then a 60KWh battery looks feasible. I still think 50KWh would be uncomfortable)

Edited by Mr E on Monday 31st May 09:57

The Road Crew

4,272 posts

181 months

Monday 31st May 2021
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My Niro will do that if you keep the speed below 75. You cannot push on above 75 for a sustained period without really hitting the economy.

Winter efficency (0C,snow, wind, rain) can be sub 3.0miles per kwh, summer can be over 4.0 (for a similar journey profile)

anonymous-user

Original Poster:

75 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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fesuvious said:
The task,

Up to 150, maybe 170 urban and A/B road miles in one day. With possibly 1 hour on motorway. Driven for most of it, hard and under pressure.
With the assumption you are in the UK:

You honestly drive "hard" for 150 urban miles? Er, really? I think if you do, you'll be arrested or have enough speeding tickets to remove your licence sharpish!

I have a A/B road commute, my car is limited to 100mph, and i am by far the fastest thing on the roads.. Often people on the road are stuggling to get into the high 30's let alone anywhere near 60.....



Perhaps our definition of "Hard" driving is at variance....... ;-)

RobbyJ

1,770 posts

243 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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A Tesla Model 3 whilst a bit over the Yaris budget would more than tick all these boxes. You'll make back the difference in running costs and fuel savings in year one surely.

kambites

70,407 posts

242 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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RobbyJ said:
A Tesla Model 3 whilst a bit over the Yaris budget would more than tick all these boxes. You'll make back the difference in running costs and fuel savings in year one surely.
Doesn't help if he can't park a big car though, does it? smile

sjg

7,639 posts

286 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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MG5 will do it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohCgTFMFwsI

Pretty much anything else with more than 50kWh of battery would be fine too if you're sticking to speed limits. The Korean 64kWh cars would probably be OK with some beyond speed limit cruising.

ZesPak

25,994 posts

217 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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sjg said:
MG5 will do it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohCgTFMFwsI

Pretty much anything else with more than 50kWh of battery would be fine too if you're sticking to speed limits. The Korean 64kWh cars would probably be OK with some beyond speed limit cruising.
Huge car in comparison to what he's looking for though.

SWoll

21,645 posts

279 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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sjg said:
MG5 will do it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohCgTFMFwsI

Pretty much anything else with more than 50kWh of battery would be fine too if you're sticking to speed limits. The Korean 64kWh cars would probably be OK with some beyond speed limit cruising.
Driven at the speeds mentioned, in the middle of winter, I think even the 70kW battery cars would be tight if you wanted to leave at least 10% headroom for unforeseen eventualities.

They'll all be too big anyway according to the OP.

RobbyJ

1,770 posts

243 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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kambites said:
Doesn't help if he can't park a big car though, does it? smile
Ahhh, then probably not then no. The Model 3 is only 70cm longer and 44cm wider but if it's too big it's too big.

Given all the other cars suggested I'd personally have the GR Yaris and wait for a better EV option to come along.

ZesPak

25,994 posts

217 months

Tuesday 1st June 2021
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RobbyJ said:
Given all the other cars suggested I'd personally have the GR Yaris and wait for a better EV option to come along.
yes
I'm an ev-convert, but I wouldn't pass on the opportunity/excuse to own a Yaris GR!