An Interesting Perspective
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I nicked this from elsewhere. An interesting perspective. Not one that I entirely agree with but interesting nevertheless:
I am thinking of replacing my electric car with a petrol car and have some questions.
1. I have heard that petrol cars can not refuel at home while you sleep? How often do you have to refill elsewhere? Is this several times a year? Will there be a solution for refueling at home?
2. Which parts will I need service on and how often? The car salesman mentioned a box with gears in it. What is this and will I receive a warning with an indicator when I need to change gear?
3. Can I accelerate and brake with one pedal as I do today with my electric car?
4. Do I get fuel back when I slow down or drive downhill? I assume so, but need to ask to be sure.
5. The car I test drove seemed to have a delay from the time I pressed the accelerator pedal until it began to accelerate. Is that normal in petrol cars?
6. We currently pay about 1.2p per mile to drive our electric car. I have heard that petrol can cost up to 10 times as much so I reckon we will lose some money in the beginning. We drive about 20,000 miles a year. Let's hope more people will start using petrol so prices go down.
7. Is it true that petrol is flammable? Should I empty the tank and store the petrol somewhere else while the car is in the garage?
8. Is there an automatic system to prevent gasoline from catching fire or exploding in an accident. What does this cost?
9. I understand that the main ingredient in petrol is oil. Is it true that the extraction and refining of oil causes environmental problems as well as conflicts and major wars that over the last 100 years have cost millions of lives? Is there a solution to these problems?
10..I have heard that cars with internal combustion based engines are being banned to enter more and more cities around the world, as it is claimed that they tend to harm the environment and health of their citizens?? Is that true??
I may have more questions later, but these are the most important ones to me at the moment. Thank you in advance for your reply.
I am thinking of replacing my electric car with a petrol car and have some questions.
1. I have heard that petrol cars can not refuel at home while you sleep? How often do you have to refill elsewhere? Is this several times a year? Will there be a solution for refueling at home?
2. Which parts will I need service on and how often? The car salesman mentioned a box with gears in it. What is this and will I receive a warning with an indicator when I need to change gear?
3. Can I accelerate and brake with one pedal as I do today with my electric car?
4. Do I get fuel back when I slow down or drive downhill? I assume so, but need to ask to be sure.
5. The car I test drove seemed to have a delay from the time I pressed the accelerator pedal until it began to accelerate. Is that normal in petrol cars?
6. We currently pay about 1.2p per mile to drive our electric car. I have heard that petrol can cost up to 10 times as much so I reckon we will lose some money in the beginning. We drive about 20,000 miles a year. Let's hope more people will start using petrol so prices go down.
7. Is it true that petrol is flammable? Should I empty the tank and store the petrol somewhere else while the car is in the garage?
8. Is there an automatic system to prevent gasoline from catching fire or exploding in an accident. What does this cost?
9. I understand that the main ingredient in petrol is oil. Is it true that the extraction and refining of oil causes environmental problems as well as conflicts and major wars that over the last 100 years have cost millions of lives? Is there a solution to these problems?
10..I have heard that cars with internal combustion based engines are being banned to enter more and more cities around the world, as it is claimed that they tend to harm the environment and health of their citizens?? Is that true??
I may have more questions later, but these are the most important ones to me at the moment. Thank you in advance for your reply.
I saw the original, and yet today some of the people that sang those praises of an EV (although not sure the author was one) object at the thought of paying tax for using EVs.
Are EVs actually better as suggested or do people need to be incentivised to own one with low BIK (if a company car), cheap fuel, zero road tax etc?
Are EVs actually better as suggested or do people need to be incentivised to own one with low BIK (if a company car), cheap fuel, zero road tax etc?
Heres Johnny said:
Are EVs actually better as suggested or do people need to be incentivised to own one with low BIK (if a company car), cheap fuel, zero road tax etc?
I think it's pretty clear that they're better for some people, worse for others. The point of the incentives is to drive social and technological change to increase the proportion for whom they are better. EV's have reached the point now that our next family car will be one even if the financial incentives disappear because for our situation they are a better technological solution (for some of the reasons listed above) than an internal combustion engine.
Heres Johnny said:
I saw the original, and yet today some of the people that sang those praises of an EV (although not sure the author was one) object at the thought of paying tax for using EVs.
Are EVs actually better as suggested or do people need to be incentivised to own one with low BIK (if a company car), cheap fuel, zero road tax etc?
Have you tried an ev? I had a test drive in a Jaguar iPace & liked it very much though I ended up with a petrol bmw.Are EVs actually better as suggested or do people need to be incentivised to own one with low BIK (if a company car), cheap fuel, zero road tax etc?
bad company said:
Heres Johnny said:
I saw the original, and yet today some of the people that sang those praises of an EV (although not sure the author was one) object at the thought of paying tax for using EVs.
Are EVs actually better as suggested or do people need to be incentivised to own one with low BIK (if a company car), cheap fuel, zero road tax etc?
Have you tried an ev? I had a test drive in a Jaguar iPace & liked it very much though I ended up with a petrol bmw.Are EVs actually better as suggested or do people need to be incentivised to own one with low BIK (if a company car), cheap fuel, zero road tax etc?
The point is, EV owners (and I saw that list of points from a Tesla forum) use lists like that to suggest the cars are far superior to ICE and then moan at the suggestion that the costs should be parity. Surely the cars being better, if they really believed that, would be enough? As an aside the list is a poor attempt at a Petrol test drive story written over 5 years ago in Sweden..
https://teslaclubsweden.se/test-drive-of-a-petrol-...
Our "main" car used to be an EV, it's now petrol. We're just back from a few days away in Wales. The freedom from not having to think once about where the next charge was coming from was brilliant, and I've driven across Europe in an EV so not a newbie or scared of the prospect of such things..
As town cars and locval runarounds EV's are brilliant and thats what we now do, but I've decided, from a personal perspective, that they're a compromise too far on long distance drives. the technology isn't good enough in aTesla (for all the stories of Tesla technology being better, its lacking plenty of basic features and not reliable enough such that I don't trust what it thinks the speed limit is one bit, unlike our BMW), I imagine ipace and etrons are better in that regard but then are more compromised with rapid charging availability
Heres Johnny said:
The point is, EV owners (and I saw that list of points from a Tesla forum) use lists like that to suggest the cars are far superior to ICE...
Surely it's a parody of the complaints ICE fans come up with about EVs, rather than a serious attempt and listing the advantages of EVs over ICE. kambites said:
Surely it's a parody of the complaints ICE fans come up with about EVs, rather than a serious attempt and listing the advantages of EVs over ICE.
Yeah I didn't see it as anymore than a tongue-in-cheek role reversal, although I would love to be able to fill up my petrol cars at home!Chris
kambites said:
Heres Johnny said:
The point is, EV owners (and I saw that list of points from a Tesla forum) use lists like that to suggest the cars are far superior to ICE...
Surely it's a parody of the complaints ICE fans come up with about EVs, rather than a serious attempt and listing the advantages of EVs over ICE. 
kambites said:
Surely it's a parody of the complaints ICE fans come up with about EVs, rather than a serious attempt and listing the advantages of EVs over ICE.
Exactly. I have 2 ICE cars at the moment but will probably go EV next. I know the Telsla’s are good but I dislike the interiors. Particularly the control screen thing. It looks like a nailed on afterthought to me.
ScoobyChris said:
Yeah I didn't see it as anymore than a tongue-in-cheek role reversal, although I would love to be able to fill up my petrol cars at home!
Chris
I think you will in the future. Petrol stations will close, so if you want to run a classic petrol car, you'll have to store your own fuel, just like heating oil.Chris
kambites said:
Surely it's a parody of the complaints ICE fans come up with about EVs, rather than a serious attempt and listing the advantages of EVs over ICE.
But ICE fans don't complain about EVs so much as about ICE cars being banned so being forced to use EVs even in those cases where ICE would be more appropriate. Of course ICE cars have disadvantages, so do EVs, that's the reason for wanting a choice.Dr Jekyll said:
kambites said:
Surely it's a parody of the complaints ICE fans come up with about EVs, rather than a serious attempt and listing the advantages of EVs over ICE.
But ICE fans don't complain about EVs so much as about ICE cars being banned so being forced to use EVs even in those cases where ICE would be more appropriate. Edited by kambites on Wednesday 28th July 13:52
Munter said:
ScoobyChris said:
Yeah I didn't see it as anymore than a tongue-in-cheek role reversal, although I would love to be able to fill up my petrol cars at home!
Chris
I think you will in the future. Petrol stations will close, so if you want to run a classic petrol car, you'll have to store your own fuel, just like heating oil.Chris
There will be petrol stations around for atleast the next 100 years, there will just be fewer of them and they might only have 1 pump.
ChocolateFrog said:
Munter said:
ScoobyChris said:
Yeah I didn't see it as anymore than a tongue-in-cheek role reversal, although I would love to be able to fill up my petrol cars at home!
Chris
I think you will in the future. Petrol stations will close, so if you want to run a classic petrol car, you'll have to store your own fuel, just like heating oil.Chris
There will be petrol stations around for atleast the next 100 years, there will just be fewer of them and they might only have 1 pump.
We'll see though. When 1 in 10,000+ own a petrol car for use a few days a year I can't see the need for petrol stations myself.
Munter said:
ChocolateFrog said:
Munter said:
ScoobyChris said:
Yeah I didn't see it as anymore than a tongue-in-cheek role reversal, although I would love to be able to fill up my petrol cars at home!
Chris
I think you will in the future. Petrol stations will close, so if you want to run a classic petrol car, you'll have to store your own fuel, just like heating oil.Chris
There will be petrol stations around for atleast the next 100 years, there will just be fewer of them and they might only have 1 pump.
We'll see though. When 1 in 10,000+ own a petrol car for use a few days a year I can't see the need for petrol stations myself.
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