Mach-E charge time

[delta0]

I’m weighing up a few different EVs to go for next year. The stand out ones for me are the M3P, EV6 GT and the Mach-E GT. However I was looking at the 10-80% rapid charge times and there is a discrepancy here:
EV6 GT - 18 mins
M3P - 25 mins
Mach-E GT - 47 mins

What is going on with the Ford? The Kia is approaching petrol filling speeds but the Ford is a very long wait. Am I missing something here?

[Mr E]

The Mach-e can take 150kw input.
The m3 can take 250kw
Haven’t looked the ev6 up, one assumes more.


My car charges at 3.6kw.

[delta0]

Mr E said:

The Mach-e can take 150kw input.
The m3 can take 250kw
Haven’t looked the ev6 up, one assumes more.


My car charges at 3.6kw.

You’re right. The Mach-E is 150kw. The EV6 is 350kw. Looks like the choice is the EV6GT or the M3P now. Hopefully Tesla have a 300kw+ 2022 model with their new super chargers next year to make that comparison a bit closer.

[kambites]

delta0 said:

What is going on with the Ford? The Kia is approaching petrol filling speeds but the Ford is a very long wait. Am I missing something here?

Only the fact that right now, relatively few chargers can manage even 150kw let alone 350.

[twing]

Mach-E has huge battery problems at the moment and no known fix

[SWoll]

FYI I also wouldn't necessarily trust the time given for the M3P as the charge curve isn't great in reality and drops off considerably after 40-50%.

We charged ours at the Darts Farm v3 supercharger (250kW) last week from 10% with the battery pre-conditioned on arrival and after an initial surge to 250kW it quickly slowed down and took more like 45 minutes to get to 90%. There are also a lot of v2's still about so could well only get 150kW at best dependent on location, and if busy when you charge even less.

[delta0]

kambites said:

Only the fact that right now, relatively few chargers can manage even 150kw let alone 350.

In the coming years I could see them being far more widely available and I won’t accept a long charge time. I often have a long journey and I need to push through that efficiently. An 18 min charge time is bearable.

[SWoll]

delta0 said:

kambites said:

Only the fact that right now, relatively few chargers can manage even 150kw let alone 350.

In the coming years I could see them being far more widely available and I won’t accept a long charge time. I often have a long journey and I need to push through that efficiently. An 18 min charge time is bearable.

So many factors to consider outside of manufacturer estimates in that scenario. Temperature/weather, battery SOC % when you start the charge, how busy are the other chargers in the same location etc.

Been talking about them a lot here recently but ON.TO do provide a range of Ev's with 1 month agreement so you may want to try one in the short term and see if it works for you before further commitment. Everyone's requirements and expectations are different and whilst they work brilliantly for some I can imagine them being a nightmare for others.

[Big Nanas]

The Mach-e charging curve isn't the greatest:

[jimmytheone]

twing said:

Mach-E has huge battery problems at the moment and no known fix

Can you expand?
Its on my shortlist, along with EV6, M3 and polestar2

[twing]

jimmytheone said:

Can you expand?
Its on my shortlist, along with EV6, M3 and polestar2

Constant recalls as per the Kuga and Ford's general admittance that the thing doesn't charge or hold charge as it should.
Their list of things you really should and shouldn't do would make it un-driveable for me.Don't use heater, don't use heated screens,
remove roof-rack when not in use and a whole load of others including not accelerating or braking harshly. These are on the Ford dealer system so a bit more than general advice, It reads more like "we haven't done a very good job of this so here are some short term fixes until we can do it properly".

[Dave Hedgehog]

twing said:

Constant recalls as per the Kuga and Ford's general admittance that the thing doesn't charge or hold charge as it should.
Their list of things you really should and shouldn't do would make it un-driveable for me.Don't use heater, don't use heated screens,
remove roof-rack when not in use and a whole load of others including not accelerating or braking harshly. These are on the Ford dealer system so a bit more than general advice, It reads more like "we haven't done a very good job of this so here are some short term fixes until we can do it properly".

this is always in the back of my mind with none Tesla EVs how good are their batteries going to be in 2+ years.

10+ years and 20+ billion miles driven is a lot of beta testing

[jimmytheone]

twing said:

jimmytheone said:

Can you expand?
Its on my shortlist, along with EV6, M3 and polestar2

Constant recalls as per the Kuga and Ford's general admittance that the thing doesn't charge or hold charge as it should.
Their list of things you really should and shouldn't do would make it un-driveable for me.Don't use heater, don't use heated screens,
remove roof-rack when not in use and a whole load of others including not accelerating or braking harshly. These are on the Ford dealer system so a bit more than general advice, It reads more like "we haven't done a very good job of this so here are some short term fixes until we can do it properly".

Wow, er, thanks!
Perhaps their next EV will make my shortlist in a few years time then.

[twing]

jimmytheone said:

Wow, er, thanks!
Perhaps their next EV will make my shortlist in a few years time then.

No problem, I think my favourite bit is "Whenever possible schedule a trip and charging stop, so the battery can be heated or cooled before, and increase the charging efficiency". This is for Fast Charging....doesn't really sound that fast to me

[delta0]

Big Nanas said:

The Mach-e charging curve isn't the greatest:

Slow charging vehicles should be banned from certain chargers until they are much more widely available. That would be horrendous to pull up to a station and find a Mach E has just plugged in. They should be in and out as fast as possible.

[SWoll]

delta0 said:

Big Nanas said:

The Mach-e charging curve isn't the greatest:
.

Slow charging vehicles should be banned from certain chargers until they are much more widely available. That would be horrendous to pull up to a station and find a Mach E has just plugged in. They should be in and out as fast as possible.

It charges at 100kW until almost 50% and then 75kW+ until 80% SOC so not great but hardly slow charging. A few of the smaller EV's top out at 50kW (Mini E, i3 etc.)

[Grandad Gaz]

twing said:

jimmytheone said:

Can you expand?
Its on my shortlist, along with EV6, M3 and polestar2

Constant recalls as per the Kuga and Ford's general admittance that the thing doesn't charge or hold charge as it should.
Their list of things you really should and shouldn't do would make it un-driveable for me.Don't use heater, don't use heated screens,
remove roof-rack when not in use and a whole load of others including not accelerating or braking harshly. These are on the Ford dealer system so a bit more than general advice, It reads more like "we haven't done a very good job of this so here are some short term fixes until we can do it properly".

I was due to order one a few months ago, but changed my mind after reading a lot of negative feedback.
I have also heard that there are a lot of Mach E’s sitting in a big compound waiting for someone to come up with a fix!

So, I have a Polestar 2 ordered instead. Should arrive next month.

[DSLiverpool]

delta0 said:

In the coming years I could see them being far more widely available and I won’t accept a long charge time. I often have a long journey and I need to push through that efficiently. An 18 min charge time is bearable.

Join the Ioniq5 club

[SWoll]

DSLiverpool said:

delta0 said:

In the coming years I could see them being far more widely available and I won’t accept a long charge time. I often have a long journey and I need to push through that efficiently. An 18 min charge time is bearable.

Join the Ioniq5 club

Excellent charge curve on 150kW+ and stays strong all the way to around 85%

[blank]

EV6 is 800V is it not?

So much easier to get higher charging rates without silly current.

Not sure what Tesla are doing to get those charge rates on a 400V system as it must be crazy current. Do the V3 Superchargers have water cooled cables?