45 Free chargers fitted on Wirral streets BUT
45 Free chargers fitted on Wirral streets BUT
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DSLiverpool

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15,960 posts

223 months

Monday 4th October 2021
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https://www.wirral.gov.uk/parking-roads-and-travel...

Well I applaud this, free for a year as well. My council are on the ball except …


Jazoli

9,456 posts

271 months

Monday 4th October 2021
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And they think drivers of ICE cars will just leave the space for an EV if they cant find anywhere to park? rofl

SWoll

21,627 posts

279 months

Monday 4th October 2021
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Equivalent to a 3pin plug charge so enough for 20-25kW overnight (60-90 miles)

Not a lot of point in putting in more expensive faster chargers if they expect people will plug in and the come back in the morning?

Jazoli said:
And they think drivers of ICE cars will just leave the space for an EV if they cant find anywhere to park? rofl
They may do if they get a ticket/clamped?

raspy

2,213 posts

115 months

Monday 4th October 2021
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SWoll said:
They may do if they get a ticket/clamped?
The council won't be clamping/ticketing or taking any action against ICE cars (or even EVs not charging) parked next to the chargers.

They made that clear on the page that was linked by the OP.

"The council are not looking to enforce parking next to the columns where the charge points are located. No formal bays will be marked out for the use of these charging points.

In most cases, more than one charge point has been installed in the selected streets to try and reduce the charge points being blocked by cars not charging. Other local authorities have used this approach for electric vehicle chargers installed on street light columns."

DSLiverpool

Original Poster:

15,960 posts

223 months

Monday 4th October 2021
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How secure will the type 2 cable be as these are none tethered ?

SWoll

21,627 posts

279 months

Tuesday 5th October 2021
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raspy said:
SWoll said:
They may do if they get a ticket/clamped?
The council won't be clamping/ticketing or taking any action against ICE cars (or even EVs not charging) parked next to the chargers.

They made that clear on the page that was linked by the OP.

"The council are not looking to enforce parking next to the columns where the charge points are located. No formal bays will be marked out for the use of these charging points.

In most cases, more than one charge point has been installed in the selected streets to try and reduce the charge points being blocked by cars not charging. Other local authorities have used this approach for electric vehicle chargers installed on street light columns."
Agree, as good as pointless then. smile

healeyneil

359 posts

168 months

Tuesday 5th October 2021
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I wonder why they don’t want to ticket ice cars ? A couple of days ago I watched a ticket going on a car in a charging space - clearly marked for charging electric vehicles only. It was an electric car. I think the owner was too blonde to know better ! If she’d just plugged it in 😆😆

JonnyVTEC

3,224 posts

196 months

Tuesday 5th October 2021
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Seems a pretty good trial at the other bookend of a single rapid public charger.

Let’s see how it works out.

Jazoli

9,456 posts

271 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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healeyneil said:
I wonder why they don’t want to ticket ice cars ? A couple of days ago I watched a ticket going on a car in a charging space - clearly marked for charging electric vehicles only. It was an electric car. I think the owner was too blonde to know better ! If she’d just plugged it in ????
Parking is tight enough in most places, to remove a percentage of these spaces and to ticket ICE engined cars for parking in what was a perfectly legal bay penalises those who either cannot afford or do not want an EV, the majority should not be disadvantaged for the few.

sjg

7,638 posts

286 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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Looks similar to the Brighton ones - they also don't do special bays but even with a 5m cable it gives quite a bit of flexibility to get on one. If you lived there and relied on them then a 10+m cable would be a good thing to have.

2kW is fine, more useful to have three of those on a street than a single 7kW point that will fill up many cars before the morning then be sat there blocked.


anonymous-user

75 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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JonnyVTEC said:
Seems a pretty good trial at the other bookend of a single rapid public charger.

Let’s see how it works out.
1. What's to stop the local scallys simply 'unplugging' chargers for 'st & giggles' during the night so you come back to an unchanged car in the am.

2. Who is going to bother reporting the faults even if they are stood in front if it, most of the public are pig ignorant lazy and whats the repair time lead, highways round here don't fix anything in years.

3. The plates on the lampost will probably get damaged/ripped off as they seem to protrude quite a bit, how long before they fade etc also if one is damaged does the ev supply stay live ? I assume not but you never know and will it have to be checked and made safe by a sparkie ?

Frimley111R

18,073 posts

255 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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raspy said:
SWoll said:
They may do if they get a ticket/clamped?
The council won't be clamping/ticketing or taking any action against ICE cars (or even EVs not charging) parked next to the chargers.

They made that clear on the page that was linked by the OP.

"The council are not looking to enforce parking next to the columns where the charge points are located. No formal bays will be marked out for the use of these charging points.

In most cases, more than one charge point has been installed in the selected streets to try and reduce the charge points being blocked by cars not charging. Other local authorities have used this approach for electric vehicle chargers installed on street light columns."
I was in a meeting yesterday where they talked about a company fitting ANPR cameras to chargers. If your car isn't electric it automatically sends you a ticket! Providing EV charging facilities and all the spaces being taken by ICE cars is in no-one's interest.

ecs

1,389 posts

191 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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I think that this is a technical limitation and the reason why lamp post EV chargers aren't ubiquitous. Street lights run off a low power supply and can't really cope with much more than lighting duties.

Saying that, when I first bought my EV, I coped just fine topping up the battery with the 3 pin overnight for 90% of the time. The issues arose when I had to go on a longer drive one day and needed to charge the car up from around 20% or below, it'd take a few days to 'catch up'.

ecs

1,389 posts

191 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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DSLiverpool said:
How secure will the type 2 cable be as these are none tethered ?
The cable is locked into the charger and vehicle when in use, you have to stop the charge from the vehicle to unlock it.

JonnyVTEC

3,224 posts

196 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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speedyguy said:
1. What's to stop the local scallys simply 'unplugging' chargers for 'st & giggles' during the night so you come back to an unchanged car in the am.

2. Who is going to bother reporting the faults even if they are stood in front if it, most of the public are pig ignorant lazy and whats the repair time lead, highways round here don't fix anything in years.

3. The plates on the lampost will probably get damaged/ripped off as they seem to protrude quite a bit, how long before they fade etc also if one is damaged does the ev supply stay live ? I assume not but you never know and will it have to be checked and made safe by a sparkie ?
Yeah whatIf.

What if people leave them alone just like they do with closed petrol stations at night?

ZesPak

25,979 posts

217 months

Wednesday 6th October 2021
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  1. Cables lock in on both sides while charging. You need the car keys to unplug.
  2. How often does a street light fail? Or a plug in your home? There's no moving parts, fall out should be minimal. Plenty of apps to report these issues on though and plenty of people do it.
  3. People hit stuff. Good thing it's just a 2kW plug, not a gas pump.
speedyguy said:
1. What's to stop the local scallys simply 'unplugging' chargers for 'st & giggles' during the night so you come back to an unchanged car in the am.

2. Who is going to bother reporting the faults even if they are stood in front if it, most of the public are pig ignorant lazy and whats the repair time lead, highways round here don't fix anything in years.

3. The plates on the lampost will probably get damaged/ripped off as they seem to protrude quite a bit, how long before they fade etc also if one is damaged does the ev supply stay live ? I assume not but you never know and will it have to be checked and made safe by a sparkie ?