Toyota manual gearbox for EV
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Another curio from Japan. This time Toyota and their simulated manual gearbox for an ev. The stick and clutch not connected to anything. Shaker device in the pedal to simulate slipping the clutch. "Ratios" take the form of torque limit curves and speed ranges.
I'd be very interested to try it. But it would seem that it is limiting the ultimate performance of the drivetrain. Still if it adds a bit of fun and involvement maybe that's not so bad.
Another curio from Japan. This time Toyota and their simulated manual gearbox for an ev. The stick and clutch not connected to anything. Shaker device in the pedal to simulate slipping the clutch. "Ratios" take the form of torque limit curves and speed ranges.
I'd be very interested to try it. But it would seem that it is limiting the ultimate performance of the drivetrain. Still if it adds a bit of fun and involvement maybe that's not so bad.
av185 said:
Hilarious to see manufacturers of EVs already desperate to inject established ice car driver interaction via fakery.
Presumably it prevents EV drivers from falling asleep at the wheel.
I love driving an EV, but I have to concede that nonsense like this really doesn't help the cause!!Presumably it prevents EV drivers from falling asleep at the wheel.
I'm not sure why the Japanese manufacturers are all obsessed with gimmicks these days. They used to just make epically good cars that were genuinely impressive. Now it's all 'cutesy' crap and trinketry 'because EV'.
TheDeuce said:
I'm not sure why the Japanese manufacturers are all obsessed with gimmicks these days. They used to just make epically good cars that were genuinely impressive. Now it's all 'cutesy' crap and trinketry 'because EV'.
As far as I can tell the Japanese car industry stopped being a powerhouse of innovation and development in the early 2000's. They're in grave danger of having done to them by Korea what they did to America's car industry in the 70's.Can’t find the thread but I did suggest this sort of thing in relation to manufacturers like Caterham a few months ago, nice to see Toyota picking upon my idea.
Can’t see the problem really, manuals have been technically outdated (speed of change etc) for 20 years so depending on your perspective manual cars could be said to be “fake” already.
Can’t see the problem really, manuals have been technically outdated (speed of change etc) for 20 years so depending on your perspective manual cars could be said to be “fake” already.
As I have posted before, I simulate the manual driving experience, by impersonating an engine, taking breaths at the gear change etc and come off the throttle.
When I come to rest it all goes quiet - as if the engine has cut out so impersonate it spluttering back into life with an imaginary cloud of smoke coming out of the imaginary exhaust...
Missing gears, drive train shunt, clutch judder, turbo lag all add to the impersonation challenge.
When I come to rest it all goes quiet - as if the engine has cut out so impersonate it spluttering back into life with an imaginary cloud of smoke coming out of the imaginary exhaust...
Missing gears, drive train shunt, clutch judder, turbo lag all add to the impersonation challenge.
Knock_knock said:
TheDeuce said:
I'm not sure why the Japanese manufacturers are all obsessed with gimmicks these days. They used to just make epically good cars that were genuinely impressive. Now it's all 'cutesy' crap and trinketry 'because EV'.
As far as I can tell the Japanese car industry stopped being a powerhouse of innovation and development in the early 2000's. They're in grave danger of having done to them by Korea what they did to America's car industry in the 70's.Korea only has 1 OEM, they are successful, but not very innovative.
Nissan are mostly owned by Renault.
Toyota haven't produced anything interesting (LFA excluded) for years, their obsession with Hydrogen will be their downfall.
Honda only seem to be dabbling and appear to lack clear leadership and direction.
Japanese, US and European OEMs (VW & Tesla may be the exceptions) are all heading down the path of British Leyland, merge to retain market share, but retaining all the old inefficiencies and bureaucracy.
granada203028 said:
As I have posted before, I simulate the manual driving experience, by impersonating an engine, taking breaths at the gear change etc and come off the throttle.
When I come to rest it all goes quiet - as if the engine has cut out so impersonate it spluttering back into life with an imaginary cloud of smoke coming out of the imaginary exhaust...
Missing gears, drive train shunt, clutch judder, turbo lag all add to the impersonation challenge.
This is why real manual ICE cars are not real drivers cars - they do all the work for you When I come to rest it all goes quiet - as if the engine has cut out so impersonate it spluttering back into life with an imaginary cloud of smoke coming out of the imaginary exhaust...
Missing gears, drive train shunt, clutch judder, turbo lag all add to the impersonation challenge.
av185 said:
Hilarious to see manufacturers of EVs already desperate to inject established ice car driver interaction via fakery.
Presumably it prevents EV drivers from falling asleep at the wheel.
Let me rephrase that for you:Presumably it prevents EV drivers from falling asleep at the wheel.
Hilarious to see manufacturers of ICE cars hopelessly behind the curve desperately cling to what they know about driver interaction via fakery.
Prevents EVs from reaching their full potential.
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