The EV revolution
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All the hike on us all using EV seems there is a big glitch, this is from a forum our son visits.
Anyone ordering an EV from VW, Audi, Porsche or Škoda will have to wait until 2023 to get it, the carmaker said. German carmaker Volkswagen has "sold out" of battery-electric vehicles in the United States and Europe, meaning new customers will have to wait until 2023 to get one.
VW Group CEO Herbert Diess told the Financial Times that the company's brands - which include Volkswagen, Porsche, Škoda and Audi - had a backlog of 300,000 orders for EVs in western Europe alone.
Hopefully its dealers with start telling the truth about delivery rather than taking your order and money, and promising delivery dates that are clearly unrealistic.
Anyone ordering an EV from VW, Audi, Porsche or Škoda will have to wait until 2023 to get it, the carmaker said. German carmaker Volkswagen has "sold out" of battery-electric vehicles in the United States and Europe, meaning new customers will have to wait until 2023 to get one.
VW Group CEO Herbert Diess told the Financial Times that the company's brands - which include Volkswagen, Porsche, Škoda and Audi - had a backlog of 300,000 orders for EVs in western Europe alone.
Hopefully its dealers with start telling the truth about delivery rather than taking your order and money, and promising delivery dates that are clearly unrealistic.
Vipers said:
All the hike on us all using EV seems there is a big glitch, this is from a forum our son visits.
Anyone ordering an EV from VW, Audi, Porsche or Škoda will have to wait until 2023 to get it, the carmaker said. German carmaker Volkswagen has "sold out" of battery-electric vehicles in the United States and Europe, meaning new customers will have to wait until 2023 to get one.
VW Group CEO Herbert Diess told the Financial Times that the company's brands - which include Volkswagen, Porsche, Škoda and Audi - had a backlog of 300,000 orders for EVs in western Europe alone.
Hopefully its dealers with start telling the truth about delivery rather than taking your order and money, and promising delivery dates that are clearly unrealistic.
I'd been like this for a while - and not limited to these companies. My dealer was very honest when I ordered my BEV. Anyone ordering an EV from VW, Audi, Porsche or Škoda will have to wait until 2023 to get it, the carmaker said. German carmaker Volkswagen has "sold out" of battery-electric vehicles in the United States and Europe, meaning new customers will have to wait until 2023 to get one.
VW Group CEO Herbert Diess told the Financial Times that the company's brands - which include Volkswagen, Porsche, Škoda and Audi - had a backlog of 300,000 orders for EVs in western Europe alone.
Hopefully its dealers with start telling the truth about delivery rather than taking your order and money, and promising delivery dates that are clearly unrealistic.
LukeBrown66 said:
And si they should, you are being severely ripped off if you buy new and or not on a company car deal, they know this so will keep increasing prices.
I buy new as a private buyer because I like to spec my cars to exactly what I want. And, yes, I pay for the privilege, but last year has been cheapest motoring I have ever had thanks to supply issues and high prices. Makes a change 
Yes... The revolution is the problem with the revolution.
People were expected to take up EVs far more slowly than they actually have. EV demand is way, way higher than predicted to date. As such, the supply chain is faltering.
Although the number of cars being shipped to driveways each month currently surpasses what was predicted at this stage in the 'revolution' so overall I'd say it's going quite well. Just a shame for those of us that have to hand a current EV back in less than a year but haven't yet got a fresh order in
People were expected to take up EVs far more slowly than they actually have. EV demand is way, way higher than predicted to date. As such, the supply chain is faltering.
Although the number of cars being shipped to driveways each month currently surpasses what was predicted at this stage in the 'revolution' so overall I'd say it's going quite well. Just a shame for those of us that have to hand a current EV back in less than a year but haven't yet got a fresh order in
ajap1979 said:
Vipers said:
Seems quite a few got fed up with dates being extended just pulled out.
I know a few people who have pulled out of car orders recently, and it’s nothing to do with their method of propulsion, it’s a known fact that manufacturers are struggling to build cars, all cars. There's a thread in car buying started today by a poster expecting a Kia Sportage this week whos been told he'll now get it in November at the earliest.
Discombobulate said:
LukeBrown66 said:
And si they should, you are being severely ripped off if you buy new and or not on a company car deal, they know this so will keep increasing prices.
I buy new as a private buyer because I like to spec my cars to exactly what I want. And, yes, I pay for the privilege, but last year has been cheapest motoring I have ever had thanks to supply issues and high prices. Makes a change One Company lease car, one private.
TheDeuce said:
Yes... The revolution is the problem with the revolution.
People were expected to take up EVs far more slowly than they actually have. EV demand is way, way higher than predicted to date. As such, the supply chain is faltering.
Although the number of cars being shipped to driveways each month currently surpasses what was predicted at this stage in the 'revolution' so overall I'd say it's going quite well. Just a shame for those of us that have to hand a current EV back in less than a year but haven't yet got a fresh order in
Seems simple, take out another/extend the PCP. People were expected to take up EVs far more slowly than they actually have. EV demand is way, way higher than predicted to date. As such, the supply chain is faltering.
Although the number of cars being shipped to driveways each month currently surpasses what was predicted at this stage in the 'revolution' so overall I'd say it's going quite well. Just a shame for those of us that have to hand a current EV back in less than a year but haven't yet got a fresh order in
No real value ordering another until demand frees up. Manufactures have known volume was not enough last year and have done nothing about as yet. Maybe they consider make good margin far better policy than supply cars in Volume aka Tesla style.
LukeBrown66 said:
My point being this, you cannot buy like for like. Any EV you buy now has less range, so if you are comparing, you cannot really compare like for like, you can presumably buy the same car ICE and EV, so that works and I would imagine the EV is dearer? T
Why are you obsessed with range??Like for like, my wife's Mini Electric is spec for spec the same same as a Cooper S, but cost pennies to run. The range is irrelevant to her.
LukeBrown66 said:
My point being this, you cannot buy like for like. Any EV you buy now has less range, so if you are comparing, you cannot really compare like for like, you can presumably buy the same car ICE and EV, so that works and I would imagine the EV is dearer? T
We've done this 3 trillion times before Luke. There are many examples where a comparable EV costs roughly the same as the ICE car it is being compared to. Play another record.LukeBrown66 said:
My point being this, you cannot buy like for like. Any EV you buy now has less range, so if you are comparing, you cannot really compare like for like, you can presumably buy the same car ICE and EV, so that works and I would imagine the EV is dearer? T
Majority of users will leave home with a “full tank”, it’s a non issue only brought up by people who haven’t lived with them. Majority of cars bought in the next few years will have 3-400 miles which most customers surveyed have said is fine. D4rez said:
LukeBrown66 said:
My point being this, you cannot buy like for like. Any EV you buy now has less range, so if you are comparing, you cannot really compare like for like, you can presumably buy the same car ICE and EV, so that works and I would imagine the EV is dearer? T
Majority of users will leave home with a “full tank”, it’s a non issue only brought up by people who haven’t lived with them. Majority of cars bought in the next few years will have 3-400 miles which most customers surveyed have said is fine. We don't need a 150 mile range in a Mini, likewise we don't need it to carry a wardrobe once a month or fit 5 kids in.
D4rez said:
LukeBrown66 said:
My point being this, you cannot buy like for like. Any EV you buy now has less range, so if you are comparing, you cannot really compare like for like, you can presumably buy the same car ICE and EV, so that works and I would imagine the EV is dearer? T
Majority of users will leave home with a “full tank”, it’s a non issue only brought up by people who haven’t lived with them. Majority of cars bought in the next few years will have 3-400 miles which most customers surveyed have said is fine. My wife has had her mach-e for 4 months and hasn't even tried to charge up other than at home.
No need to, unless we going on a long journey, which might happen once in a blue moon (actually much less frequently)
Its a bargain to recharge, and yes it was expensive, but so were the ICE equivalents she was looking at.
Oh and she had to wait 8 months for delivery, so not much has changed
Maracus said:
LukeBrown66 said:
My point being this, you cannot buy like for like. Any EV you buy now has less range, so if you are comparing, you cannot really compare like for like, you can presumably buy the same car ICE and EV, so that works and I would imagine the EV is dearer? T
Why are you obsessed with range??Like for like, my wife's Mini Electric is spec for spec the same same as a Cooper S, but cost pennies to run. The range is irrelevant to her.
To your point it depend totally on your life style if the range is an issue or not.
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