2023 Prius (Sadly not coming here!)
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https://www.autoexpress.co.uk/toyota/prius/12774/a...
Well I am a bit bummed out to be fair. I think that looks bloody fantastic and now its not even slow.... 220HP system output and 60 in under 7 seconds for the PHEV model. The PHEV will be the only version sold in Europe and in the UK we won't even get that because everyone buys stupid SUVs instead!
13.6 kWh battery, 58 miles range (on some noddy cycle no doubt, but the old car could do 25+ with its much smaller battery). 2.0 litre engine. Built in solar panel on the roof. Awesome yellow colour.
I like the Prius and I am more than a little disappointed they're not bringing this one here. I don't want to buy a CHR instead. I want this.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Wednesday 16th November 20:38
mclwanB said:
Why not make it a full bev? I'd have one of those for sure if affordable
Because it’s a very cleverly designed hybrid platform. It would need a complete redesign to make it full BEV.I really like it, I reckon loads of these will come in as JDM imports in a few years, many Uber drivers are using JDM Prius imports now as they’re much cheaper than UK models.
mclwanB said:
Like the original Ioniq electric did...?
That was never great in any form. The Prius is a very good hybrid, nobody has managed to do hybrid power anywhere near as well as Toyota. They won’t compromise because some people want it as an EV, they have an EV platform for them.Otispunkmeyer said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/CarTalkUK/comments/ywt8rt...
Well I am a bit bummed out to be fair. I think that looks bloody fantastic and now its not even slow.... 220HP system output and 60 in under 7 seconds for the PHEV model. The PHEV will be the only version sold in Europe and in the UK we won't even get that because everyone buys stupid SUVs instead!
13.6 kWh battery, 58 miles range (on some noddy cycle no doubt, but the old car could do 25+ with its much smaller battery). 2.0 litre engine. Built in solar panel on the roof. Awesome yellow colour.
I like the Prius and I am more than a little disappointed they're not bringing this one here. I don't want to buy a CHR instead. I want this.
You are not alone, I was really keen, as in "shut up and take my money" keen. Really disappointed that it is not coming to the UK at all.Well I am a bit bummed out to be fair. I think that looks bloody fantastic and now its not even slow.... 220HP system output and 60 in under 7 seconds for the PHEV model. The PHEV will be the only version sold in Europe and in the UK we won't even get that because everyone buys stupid SUVs instead!
13.6 kWh battery, 58 miles range (on some noddy cycle no doubt, but the old car could do 25+ with its much smaller battery). 2.0 litre engine. Built in solar panel on the roof. Awesome yellow colour.
I like the Prius and I am more than a little disappointed they're not bringing this one here. I don't want to buy a CHR instead. I want this.
Toyota UK say that they sold less than 400 Prius in 2019 so the market just isn't there. I get that, but they could surely bring a few over like they did with the Camry...
"That was never great in any form. The Prius is a very good hybrid, nobody has managed to do hybrid power anywhere near as well as Toyota. They won’t compromise because some people want it as an EV, they have an EV platform for them"
I'm guessing the reputation the ioniq had as the most efficient affordable ev is all in the owners imagination then. Hybrid reckoned by a lot of users to be far preferable to a prius (certainly way fewer recent minicab priuses than hybrid ioniq).
There's a lot to be said for an ev with a low cdA despite a lot of people seeming to like trucks.
If you don't like the ioniq example there's always the ecorsa and NiroEV twins. Other manufacturers seem to be able to manage EVs off non bespoke platforms. Leads to compromise but then for users who don't want a truck they'd put up with them
I'm guessing the reputation the ioniq had as the most efficient affordable ev is all in the owners imagination then. Hybrid reckoned by a lot of users to be far preferable to a prius (certainly way fewer recent minicab priuses than hybrid ioniq).
There's a lot to be said for an ev with a low cdA despite a lot of people seeming to like trucks.
If you don't like the ioniq example there's always the ecorsa and NiroEV twins. Other manufacturers seem to be able to manage EVs off non bespoke platforms. Leads to compromise but then for users who don't want a truck they'd put up with them
Edited by mclwanB on Wednesday 16th November 20:10
mclwanB said:
I'm gurssing the reputation the ioniq had as the most efficient affordable ev is all in the owners imagination then. Hybrid reckoned by a lot of users to be far preferable to a prius (certainly way fewer recent minicab priuses than hybrid ioniq).
There's a lot to be said for an ev with a low cdA despite a lot of people seeming to like trucks.
If you don't like the ioniq example there's always the ecorsa and NiroEV twins. Other manufacturers seem to
All are compromised. The Ioniq was a good EV but utterly dreadful hybrid.There's a lot to be said for an ev with a low cdA despite a lot of people seeming to like trucks.
If you don't like the ioniq example there's always the ecorsa and NiroEV twins. Other manufacturers seem to
The Prius platform is designed, ground up, as a hybrid. They won’t compromise that because some oddballs want one that’s fully battery. They have an EV platform for that market.
I have never seen an Iconiq minicab, but almost every time I order an Uber, it’s a Prius. For a very good reason.
I think hybrid felt like a sensible halfway house when EV was totally new and unknown to the masses... But now pretty much everyone in the market for a new car will have at least one acquaintance that has an EV - and the first thing most EV driver's will say about hybrid is it's a compromise and may as well go full EV.
I think the UK is a particularly fussy market and that hybrids will now be a tough sell here. If you don't care for electrification you'll buy a pure ICE still, if you do, you'll buy a BEV.
Tbh I think Toyota, having done so much to kick start electrified cars, have woefully lost their way by going so heavy into endless hybrid variants and also going down the dead end hydrogen route.
I think the UK is a particularly fussy market and that hybrids will now be a tough sell here. If you don't care for electrification you'll buy a pure ICE still, if you do, you'll buy a BEV.
Tbh I think Toyota, having done so much to kick start electrified cars, have woefully lost their way by going so heavy into endless hybrid variants and also going down the dead end hydrogen route.
Have to say I've never seen an Ioniq hybrid as a mini cab either. It's all Prius, Auris or Corolla Wagon round here.
However the OG Ioniq EV was pretty good considering it had just 28 kWh to play with. It managed to go further than cars with bigger batteries quite easily. Some called it the wind knife.
I do think this design as a BEV would be mega. But you're right, they're not going to do that. Hopefully though we can get something similar design wise as a BEV because this just looks good.
However the OG Ioniq EV was pretty good considering it had just 28 kWh to play with. It managed to go further than cars with bigger batteries quite easily. Some called it the wind knife.
I do think this design as a BEV would be mega. But you're right, they're not going to do that. Hopefully though we can get something similar design wise as a BEV because this just looks good.
TheDeuce said:
I think hybrid felt like a sensible halfway house when EV was totally new and unknown to the masses... But now pretty much everyone in the market for a new car will have at least one acquaintance that has an EV - and the first thing most EV driver's will say about hybrid is it's a compromise and may as well go full EV.
I think the UK is a particularly fussy market and that hybrids will now be a tough sell here. If you don't care for electrification you'll buy a pure ICE still, if you do, you'll buy a BEV.
Tbh I think Toyota, having done so much to kick start electrified cars, have woefully lost their way by going so heavy into endless hybrid variants and also going down the dead end hydrogen route.
Plug in may be a compromise, but not much of one really because the hybrid base is so good. As a regular hybrid there really isn't much compromise at all I don't think. It's simply a great car. I bought one out of curiosity, I needed to know what it was like. I ended up keeping it I liked it so much. I did a 1000 mile road trip to Scotland with an M6 and a couple of 330d. I didn't get left behind and somehow averaged 61 mpg. Why did we all buy diesels instead of these? I think the UK is a particularly fussy market and that hybrids will now be a tough sell here. If you don't care for electrification you'll buy a pure ICE still, if you do, you'll buy a BEV.
Tbh I think Toyota, having done so much to kick start electrified cars, have woefully lost their way by going so heavy into endless hybrid variants and also going down the dead end hydrogen route.
Don't get me wrong, they're not drivers cars. But as just a car to go about your business, they're brilliant.
Hydrogen will find it's uses. It's not dead yet. Lots of investment going on where I work right now for hydrogen. Perhaps not for passenger vehicles though.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Wednesday 16th November 20:29
TheDeuce said:
I think hybrid felt like a sensible halfway house when EV was totally new and unknown to the masses... But now pretty much everyone in the market for a new car will have at least one acquaintance that has an EV - and the first thing most EV driver's will say about hybrid is it's a compromise and may as well go full EV.
I think the UK is a particularly fussy market and that hybrids will now be a tough sell here. If you don't care for electrification you'll buy a pure ICE still, if you do, you'll buy a BEV.
Tbh I think Toyota, having done so much to kick start electrified cars, have woefully lost their way by going so heavy into endless hybrid variants and also going down the dead end hydrogen route.
We have to understand the market outside of the UK and EU. We are 100% BEV focused. Germany is throwing a lot into H2. Tokyo are running LPG hybrid taxis. So maybe Toyota know what they're doing.I think the UK is a particularly fussy market and that hybrids will now be a tough sell here. If you don't care for electrification you'll buy a pure ICE still, if you do, you'll buy a BEV.
Tbh I think Toyota, having done so much to kick start electrified cars, have woefully lost their way by going so heavy into endless hybrid variants and also going down the dead end hydrogen route.
Auslander said:
We have to understand the market outside of the UK and EU. We are 100% BEV focused. Germany is throwing a lot into H2. Tokyo are running LPG hybrid taxis. So maybe Toyota know what they're doing.
Germany (and Italy) have a very large CNG filling network. I believe there is a good chance that if you pull into a petrol station it will have a CNG filler too. You can order several different VW models as a CNG version and a lot of HGV on the continent are starting to use CNG/LNG because they tend to use 4x2 tractors (UK prefer 6x2) and so they have a lot of chassis space left to fit the CNG tanks to give range. Then it's a straight swap with diesel.I would not be surprised if they are looking at ways to switch that network over to hydrogen. I'm sure it will be a difficult task though.
Auslander said:
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I have never seen an Iconiq minicab, but almost every time I order an Uber, it’s a Prius. For a very good reason.
Geographical differences, in our part of Central Scotland there seem to be way more ioniq minicabs than priuses. Many more VAG products than either howeverI have never seen an Iconiq minicab, but almost every time I order an Uber, it’s a Prius. For a very good reason.
Auslander said:
mclwanB said:
Like the original Ioniq electric did...?
That was never great in any form. The Prius is a very good hybrid, nobody has managed to do hybrid power anywhere near as well as Toyota. They won’t compromise because some people want it as an EV, they have an EV platform for them.And the Toyota hybrid platform is good in HEV form, but it's nowhere near the best PHEV on the market, and hasn't been for a decade.
Otispunkmeyer said:
Have to say I've never seen an Ioniq hybrid as a mini cab either. It's all Prius, Auris or Corolla Wagon round here.
However the OG Ioniq EV was pretty good considering it had just 28 kWh to play with. It managed to go further than cars with bigger batteries quite easily. Some called it the wind knife.
I do think this design as a BEV would be mega. But you're right, they're not going to do that. Hopefully though we can get something similar design wise as a BEV because this just looks good.
York has loads of Ioniq taxis, mostly Ubers from West Yorkshire. However the OG Ioniq EV was pretty good considering it had just 28 kWh to play with. It managed to go further than cars with bigger batteries quite easily. Some called it the wind knife.
I do think this design as a BEV would be mega. But you're right, they're not going to do that. Hopefully though we can get something similar design wise as a BEV because this just looks good.
There's definitely more Prius and Corrolas though. I think the new Prius would be worth a try in the UK, the outgoing one didn't sell well, but it looked silly, and the Corolla for most people was probably a better option, as it looked like a regular car(and quite a stylish car IMO), and correct me if I'm wrong but I think the Corolla was cheaper too.
The new Prius actually looks good, and I think looking good may cause it to be a reasonable seller.
Otispunkmeyer said:
TheDeuce said:
I think hybrid felt like a sensible halfway house when EV was totally new and unknown to the masses... But now pretty much everyone in the market for a new car will have at least one acquaintance that has an EV - and the first thing most EV driver's will say about hybrid is it's a compromise and may as well go full EV.
I think the UK is a particularly fussy market and that hybrids will now be a tough sell here. If you don't care for electrification you'll buy a pure ICE still, if you do, you'll buy a BEV.
Tbh I think Toyota, having done so much to kick start electrified cars, have woefully lost their way by going so heavy into endless hybrid variants and also going down the dead end hydrogen route.
Plug in may be a compromise, but not much of one really because the hybrid base is so good. As a regular hybrid there really isn't much compromise at all I don't think. It's simply a great car. I bought one out of curiosity, I needed to know what it was like. I ended up keeping it I liked it so much. I did a 1000 mile road trip to Scotland with an M6 and a couple of 330d. I didn't get left behind and somehow averaged 61 mpg. Why did we all buy diesels instead of these? I think the UK is a particularly fussy market and that hybrids will now be a tough sell here. If you don't care for electrification you'll buy a pure ICE still, if you do, you'll buy a BEV.
Tbh I think Toyota, having done so much to kick start electrified cars, have woefully lost their way by going so heavy into endless hybrid variants and also going down the dead end hydrogen route.
Don't get me wrong, they're not drivers cars. But as just a car to go about your business, they're brilliant.
Hydrogen will find it's uses. It's not dead yet. Lots of investment going on where I work right now for hydrogen. Perhaps not for passenger vehicles though.
Edited by Otispunkmeyer on Wednesday 16th November 20:29
Yes I see a great future for hydrogen, but not for personal transport. I think the days of a personal car needing to lug around an energy conversion unit are done with. A car should receive the energy required to do it's job, it shouldn't be wheeled power station. Those big power stations we drive past are more efficient at that particular task!
TheDeuce said:
On the drivers car or cabbies cars point, hybrid is great - but BEV is generally even better. Just look at the take up of electric cabs in major cities, they work beautifully. I suspect the lesser take up from minicab drivers (who are mostly self employed these days even if not uber) comes down to the capital outlay.
Yes I see a great future for hydrogen, but not for personal transport. I think the days of a personal car needing to lug around an energy conversion unit are done with. A car should receive the energy required to do it's job, it shouldn't be wheeled power station. Those big power stations we drive past are more efficient at that particular task!
The black cab is a petrol PHEV.Yes I see a great future for hydrogen, but not for personal transport. I think the days of a personal car needing to lug around an energy conversion unit are done with. A car should receive the energy required to do it's job, it shouldn't be wheeled power station. Those big power stations we drive past are more efficient at that particular task!
Granted, in Central London, the Prius is starting to be replaced by the MG5, but most Ubers are still a hybrid.
It's going way off topic here, though.
I'd love to have a Prius with LPG, but the ones that come up are mega mile ex Uber hacks. Shame, as you'd be seeing 120mpg cost equivalency with one of those! From a cost and energy density perspective, that beats all other solutions hands down.
Auslander said:
TheDeuce said:
On the drivers car or cabbies cars point, hybrid is great - but BEV is generally even better. Just look at the take up of electric cabs in major cities, they work beautifully. I suspect the lesser take up from minicab drivers (who are mostly self employed these days even if not uber) comes down to the capital outlay.
Yes I see a great future for hydrogen, but not for personal transport. I think the days of a personal car needing to lug around an energy conversion unit are done with. A car should receive the energy required to do it's job, it shouldn't be wheeled power station. Those big power stations we drive past are more efficient at that particular task!
The black cab is a petrol PHEV.Yes I see a great future for hydrogen, but not for personal transport. I think the days of a personal car needing to lug around an energy conversion unit are done with. A car should receive the energy required to do it's job, it shouldn't be wheeled power station. Those big power stations we drive past are more efficient at that particular task!
Granted, in Central London, the Prius is starting to be replaced by the MG5, but most Ubers are still a hybrid.
It's going way off topic here, though.
I'd love to have a Prius with LPG, but the ones that come up are mega mile ex Uber hacks. Shame, as you'd be seeing 120mpg cost equivalency with one of those! From a cost and energy density perspective, that beats all other solutions hands down.
Expensive but better - expensive for a casual Uber driver but well within the means of a cabbie with their group buying power and discounts.
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