Is there anything that matches a Tesla yet?

[Richyboy]

By this I mean as an electric car for electric car issues or is it just my warped sense of desire. For instance :

1. A big screen for entertainment while charging. I’ve sat in electric cars waiting for a charge with only my phone for company.
2. A sentry mode for added home security.
3. Decent range from a smallish battery.
4. A heat pump for cold days.
5. Use of space for storage - front and rear.
6. No degradation worries. Was going to say a million mile battery warranty but I may have dreamed this lol.

[TheDeuce]

Well if we're to compare only on Tesla strong points then obviously no, Tesla wins.

And Tesla have done an amazing job at premtively addressing many EV problems, such as range and how easy it is to find a charger should you need one.

But that small list of yours is about EV qualities. These are cars... There's a hundred more things that make certain cars appeal to certain people. I have driven several Tesla's and they're an awesome product - but I wouldn't swap my EV for one.

However, for the average new adoptee I suspect Tesla is the overall best solution. That doesn't mean they're not matched in the eyes of many - but they're certainly the easiest and most obvious first step into EV for the majority, excluding those that want a very low cost and limited range alternative.

[stabilio]

I'd swap my Tesla but theres little competition still for the same-ish price point.
Remember the 3 is now a 5 year old car with only small updates over that time (not including software updates) and the S and X even older... but you can't buy them new here at the moment. The Y is basically a bigger 3 so not really a new car as such. Also talk of a refreshed Model 3 coming soon that may, or may not have some bigger design changes which I think it needs now after 5 years.

Ionic 5 and EV6 are good efforts but to be released 4 years or so after the Model 3, they're still playing catch up while Tesla keep knocking out frequent software updates (for free and over the air) while other manufacturers still have trouble with OTA updates or are charging a fee for them after you've had a couple.

The (EV) car market is getting a bit like how the mobile phone market evolved. It did the basic job what is was designed for but then with smart phones, they could do much more than just make calls and send text messages.
Teslas evolving tech and software is similar being much more than just a car and other manufactures are struggling to evolve at the same speed - or running into issues (I'm looking at you VW).

[blueg33]

The Teslas really don’t do it for me. I much preferred the Ioniq5, despite thinking before I drove them that the Tesla was the one to have.

[chrispmartha]

I wouldn’t swap my Polestar for a Tesla in fact i just got offered that very thing with the leasing company but chose to extend the lease on the polestar

[Mogsmex]

we have an Ipace, its a much better car !

nicer inside and drives loads better

however Tesla do a better job of being an EV and are a lot less hassle to live with

[page3]

I’ve never understood point 1. A £400 iPad will do everything better for rather cheaper.

[sociopath]

My wife has a mach-e mustang, she wanted that over the tesla, despite the range limitations and its a much better bolted together car than the tesla in my view.

Given the choice though (which I didn't have) I'd have kept the petrol Peugeot 3008

[Hans_Gruber]

No car is perfect and I’m not able to buy multiple cars for multiple roles.

For me my Model Y LR ticks more boxes than any of the other EVs. Top reasons for me;

Supercharger network
Huge size helped by being a purpose built EV platform
Reliable 300 mile range
Everything controlled by an app / main screen / updates
No servicing costs
Build quality - I can only go on what I’ve experienced!

Before this thread descends into the usual “my car is better than your car” remember it’s each to their own and I’m happy that you’re happy with your choice. Also its Xmas

[soupdragon1]

Richyboy said:

By this I mean as an electric car for electric car issues or is it just my warped sense of desire. For instance :

1. A big screen for entertainment while charging. I’ve sat in electric cars waiting for a charge with only my phone for company.
2. A sentry mode for added home security.
3. Decent range from a smallish battery.
4. A heat pump for cold days.
5. Use of space for storage - front and rear.
6. No degradation worries. Was going to say a million mile battery warranty but I may have dreamed this lol.

All cars offer different features

Eg

You might want automatic headlights
Automatic window wipers
V2L technology, where you can use your car as a 240v power supply
Buttons to control basic functions like climate control

If you like these type of features, you probably don't want to buy a Tesla

[Zero Fuchs]

4 years on and I'm still really happy with my i3s. I like the idea of a Tesla M3 but I've a showroom locally and just couldn't live with one due to build quality and the touchscreen. I'm not 100% on the looks either. Otherwise I think they're technically great.

I sometimes wish the i3s was flatter/wider/had 5 seats but I'm still impressed with it and it's still a complete outlier in terms of mass, fun, construction and design. It's quick too. Not Tesla quick but off the line in traffic it's brilliant even today.

A potentially unpopular opinion but currently the REx comes into it's own when on long journeys, due to the ridiculous cost of electricity. The disparity between 7.5p at home and 70p everywhere else has really taken the shine out of EV charging. Now petrol is £1.50/l I'll begrudgingly visit a petrol station over paying more and waiting longer. I genuinely never thought I'd ever say that but here we are.

I will eventually change to something bigger but it's going to have to be significantly better than anything currently on the market.

[Discombobulate]

Mogsmex said:

we have an Ipace, its a much better car !

nicer inside and drives loads better

however Tesla do a better job of being an EV and are a lot less hassle to live with

This.

[DMZ]

stabilio said:

I'd swap my Tesla but theres little competition still for the same-ish price point.
Remember the 3 is now a 5 year old car with only small updates over that time (not including software updates) and the S and X even older... but you can't buy them new here at the moment. The Y is basically a bigger 3 so not really a new car as such. Also talk of a refreshed Model 3 coming soon that may, or may not have some bigger design changes which I think it needs now after 5 years.

Ionic 5 and EV6 are good efforts but to be released 4 years or so after the Model 3, they're still playing catch up while Tesla keep knocking out frequent software updates (for free and over the air) while other manufacturers still have trouble with OTA updates or are charging a fee for them after you've had a couple.

The (EV) car market is getting a bit like how the mobile phone market evolved. It did the basic job what is was designed for but then with smart phones, they could do much more than just make calls and send text messages.
Teslas evolving tech and software is similar being much more than just a car and other manufactures are struggling to evolve at the same speed - or running into issues (I'm looking at you VW).

I think what you are mostly describing is once you have an EV there isn’t a huge reason to replace it. Tesla can sell five year old cars for a reason. Nearly everything that is happening at the moment are more manufacturers trying to do the same thing so there is more choice but not a lot of diversity. Maybe there is even less diversity now. Which in itself is driven by battery constraints. And if you’re into the Tesla stuff, no one seems to be able to match them.

[SWoll]

Discombobulate said:

Mogsmex said:

we have an Ipace, its a much better car !

nicer inside and drives loads better

however Tesla do a better job of being an EV and are a lot less hassle to live with

This.

I found ours more hassle to live with than other EV's we've run TBH. Constant updates and system instability that led to reguar reboots, stuff like auto wipers, headlight assist and cruise control that didn't work very well at all, safety systems that constantly interfered and were a pain in the arse to disable, silly AC vents and controls that were awkward to adjust, disappointing charging speeds at anything other than low SOC and non existent core functionality like AA/CarPlay and surround view parking.

I assume things have improved (had ours from 2019-2021) but our experience over 2 years with a Model 3 was far from hassle free. Very much felt like a beta tester.

[ashenfie]

From what I see it's likely that the Model 3 will be refreshed next year, while the Batteries/Motors/Charge points all still stand out, they not USPs any more. The driver less car thing is in the regulators cross-hairs, so we will see what comes of that.

Musk after stepping a side from Tesla day to day business and the twitter fiasco must have a tiny dent in his ego. So I suspect maybe Tesla will focus more on the Tesla being a car that has a glove box you can easily open and a rear bumper that does not fall off in deep puddles, rather than many of the gimmicks of the past.

It would be nice to see a big step forward tech and solutions to address the on coming taxes

[Fastlane]

I have just handed back my leased 2019 Model 3 Performance. I had it for 3 years and 36k miles - it averaged 3.3 miles/kwh. Apart from tyres, I didn't spend anything on it. I looked at all the alternatives and as a overall package (efficiency, range, size, cost, performance, infotainment and ease of supercharging) decided the Model 3 Long Range was the best option, so I have just picked one up.

[Kawasicki]

ashenfie said:

From what I see it's likely that the Model 3 will be refreshed next year, while the Batteries/Motors/Charge points all still stand out, they not USPs any more. The driver less car thing is in the regulators cross-hairs, so we will see what comes of that.

Musk after stepping a side from Tesla day to day business and the twitter fiasco must have a tiny dent in his ego. So I suspect maybe Tesla will focus more on the Tesla being a car that has a glove box you can easily open and a rear bumper that does not fall off in deep puddles, rather than many of the gimmicks of the past.

It would be nice to see a big step forward tech and solutions to address the on coming taxes

The plant in Germany will also have employed people with experience of how to improve build quality.

[W12GT]

Based on the title alone I’d say any French car from the 80’s for build quality and reliability…..

[TheDeuce]

In many ways Tesla have so far followed the same route Nokia did at the start of, and arguably to kick start the mass adoption of mobile phones.

Will anything ever beat a Nokia mobile

[Hans_Gruber]

In many ways your metaphor of Nokia is a description of an ICE car, Tesla came along as the iPhone. Will anything beat an iPhone?

In terms of capitalisation and resources they will be a tough company to beat. The end consumer will be the one that ultimately benefits in that race.