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So, in the hung for an estate car I have found the Superb PHEV (?) with the 1.4 petrol alongside battery power which gives a range of about 40miles which would be ideal for us for most journeys.
However, I don’t have the first clue about this technology!
Are the Skodas any good?
I see they have a ten year 100k mile warranty on the battery but many of the ones in our budget are 21 plates with 80k on them although I can’t see we would even reach 100k for a few years with our use.
They all have full dealer history and first MOTs are spotless with no advisories .
However, I don’t have the first clue about this technology!
Are the Skodas any good?
I see they have a ten year 100k mile warranty on the battery but many of the ones in our budget are 21 plates with 80k on them although I can’t see we would even reach 100k for a few years with our use.
They all have full dealer history and first MOTs are spotless with no advisories .
Superb with 1.4 petrol engine... Ok, on the 40 miles electric range -make it more 30-, but that must on GTR fuel consumption level at 70 mph 
What you save by using the battery in town, you're going to spend it in petrol.
I had that same engine in the Leon and it averaged 39 mpg and it was for sure a lot lighter!
What you save by using the battery in town, you're going to spend it in petrol.
I had that same engine in the Leon and it averaged 39 mpg and it was for sure a lot lighter!
Ok thanks.
Tbh, we aren’t looking at really getting one, more the price was reasonable, and it was also the thought of getting in to a pre conditioned car. D
So, apparently they are 212hp, but I assume that must be a combination of petrol and electric?
I guess petrol power alone is around 150jp?
Tbh, we aren’t looking at really getting one, more the price was reasonable, and it was also the thought of getting in to a pre conditioned car. D
So, apparently they are 212hp, but I assume that must be a combination of petrol and electric?
I guess petrol power alone is around 150jp?
AlexIT said:
Superb with 1.4 petrol engine... Ok, on the 40 miles electric range -make it more 30-, but that must on GTR fuel consumption level at 70 mph
What you save by using the battery in town, you're going to spend it in petrol.
I had that same engine in the Leon and it averaged 39 mpg and it was for sure a lot lighter!
Says someone who has clearly never owned one.What you save by using the battery in town, you're going to spend it in petrol.
I had that same engine in the Leon and it averaged 39 mpg and it was for sure a lot lighter!
We have the Passat GTE estate and find that it’s great all round. 99% of the wife’s daily driving (school runs, shopping, etc) are on battery (charged every night on octopus 7p/kwh, or from excess solar for £0), even in this weather.
On longer runs like our regular holidays from Cheshire to North Devon, we average over 60mpg for the journey down/up, and that’s fully laden with 4 passengers and a brimmed boot.
Empty it’s even more efficient in hybrid mode.
I had a Siperb estate, but the 280 version. Very nice car, and even with a 280bhp 2 litre turbo engine, no hybrid system, and four wheel drive, it averaged close to 40mpg once warmed up.
I currently own a Volvo XC40 plug-in hybrid. 1.5 litre engine, plus an 80bhp electric motor.
Costs 3p a mile on battery (around 70% of my mileage), and will do better than 40mpg after the battery is "flat". Perfectly driveable on just the battery, even up steep hills or on dual carriageways.
If you do lots of short journeys, a PHEV can make sense in you are not ready for a full BEV.
I currently own a Volvo XC40 plug-in hybrid. 1.5 litre engine, plus an 80bhp electric motor.
Costs 3p a mile on battery (around 70% of my mileage), and will do better than 40mpg after the battery is "flat". Perfectly driveable on just the battery, even up steep hills or on dual carriageways.
If you do lots of short journeys, a PHEV can make sense in you are not ready for a full BEV.
Thanks everyone,
I kinda discounted the Passat before I even looked as I assumed they would have galactic mileage and still be more expensive, but I have seen a few nice ones! In budget.
Do the dsg boxes in these need servicing the same as the golf etc?
I kinda discounted the Passat before I even looked as I assumed they would have galactic mileage and still be more expensive, but I have seen a few nice ones! In budget.
Do the dsg boxes in these need servicing the same as the golf etc?
Edited by 119 on Thursday 21st November 13:12
+1 for a Passat GTE (which has pretty much the same drivetrain as the Skoda so I imagine that is also equivalent)
I had one for 4 years as our main family car and it was great.
I only sold it because it got to 7 years old / 80,000 miles and I wanted to go full EV.
A large portion of mileage was on pure electric at 7p/kWh, so <3p/mile
Full tank averages varied between 60 and 150 mpg depending on the mix of short/long journeys.
Even on much longer trips with no charging (e.g. 1200 miles around France with lots of motorway/autoroute) it would still average over 45 mpg which is pretty good for a big comfy petrol barge with > 200 bhp.
I had one for 4 years as our main family car and it was great.
I only sold it because it got to 7 years old / 80,000 miles and I wanted to go full EV.
A large portion of mileage was on pure electric at 7p/kWh, so <3p/mile
Full tank averages varied between 60 and 150 mpg depending on the mix of short/long journeys.
Even on much longer trips with no charging (e.g. 1200 miles around France with lots of motorway/autoroute) it would still average over 45 mpg which is pretty good for a big comfy petrol barge with > 200 bhp.
119 said:
So, in the hung for an estate car I have found the Superb PHEV (?) with the 1.4 petrol alongside battery power which gives a range of about 40miles which would be ideal for us for most journeys.
However, I don’t have the first clue about this technology!
Are the Skodas any good?
I see they have a ten year 100k mile warranty on the battery but many of the ones in our budget are 21 plates with 80k on them although I can’t see we would even reach 100k for a few years with our use.
They all have full dealer history and first MOTs are spotless with no advisories .
That sounds exactly like a car a friend has as a company car. However, I don’t have the first clue about this technology!
Are the Skodas any good?
I see they have a ten year 100k mile warranty on the battery but many of the ones in our budget are 21 plates with 80k on them although I can’t see we would even reach 100k for a few years with our use.
They all have full dealer history and first MOTs are spotless with no advisories .
People have them with a fuel card and never plug them in
I think using them in this way, they get reasonable mpg.
We joke about the plug and lead being only for subsequent owners.
And tax purposes.
I've not driven it, but as a passenger it seems quick enough, comfortable smooth quiet and all that.
If plugging it in and using the elctric range covers a significant % of your mileage, it could do you very well, but if it's going to take you a long time to rack up 20k miles, maybe you won't save all that much?
When you come to sell, the battery being out of warranty might affect what you get.
The battery in a hybrid is 'working harder' than a pure BEV, because the battery is so small.
Is it cheap enough that you really don't care what it's worth when the warranty runs out?
Check the small print on the warranty, on my Cupra the battery warranty doesn't transfer to second and subsequent owners of the car. As Skoda are also a brand of VW (like Cupra) this also may apply here.
Otherwise I find the hybrid really quite good - except for long journeys where the battery is exhausted within 60-70 miles and you're dependant on the regen and re-deploy of energy and using mainly the petrol engine only. The car is very good for EV only short trips up to the range of the battery.
Otherwise I find the hybrid really quite good - except for long journeys where the battery is exhausted within 60-70 miles and you're dependant on the regen and re-deploy of energy and using mainly the petrol engine only. The car is very good for EV only short trips up to the range of the battery.
What kind of driving will you be doing in EV mode?
40 miles will be pretty much impossible unless you only ever drive downhill.
30 miles possible if you're very careful, don't venture above about 50mph, and the weather is nice.
I'm pretty sure the drivetrain is the same as in my Leon, and I managed to use 80% in 12 miles this week! This was mainly due to sitting in the car with the heating on for ~20mins as part of that 12 miles.
If your driving is motorway/dual carriageway and make no effort for efficiency then 20 miles is realistic in nice weather.
40 miles will be pretty much impossible unless you only ever drive downhill.
30 miles possible if you're very careful, don't venture above about 50mph, and the weather is nice.
I'm pretty sure the drivetrain is the same as in my Leon, and I managed to use 80% in 12 miles this week! This was mainly due to sitting in the car with the heating on for ~20mins as part of that 12 miles.
If your driving is motorway/dual carriageway and make no effort for efficiency then 20 miles is realistic in nice weather.
The OP stated that 40 miles EV range would cover most of their journeys. Sure, the Superb will probably only scape 30 miles... but still, that means that the majority of the time the car is running on dirt cheap electricity.
So long as that is the case, just choose whatever PHEV you like the most for the budget imo! All that matters is that it's electric range can do the majority of the mileage - the mpg for the little bit it can't do in electric mode is going to be inconsequential compared to how much you actually like the car you end up sitting in.
I can vouch for the Superb being an excellent family car. It's full on VW quality, masses of space, comfort and very generous spec/tech across the range.
So long as that is the case, just choose whatever PHEV you like the most for the budget imo! All that matters is that it's electric range can do the majority of the mileage - the mpg for the little bit it can't do in electric mode is going to be inconsequential compared to how much you actually like the car you end up sitting in.
I can vouch for the Superb being an excellent family car. It's full on VW quality, masses of space, comfort and very generous spec/tech across the range.
Don't buy a PHEV without driving Toyota's version. It's fitted to the Rav4, Suzuki Across (used bargains) and various Lexus.
Firstly it does a genuine 45 - 50 miles as a pure EV and the electric motors put out 240bhp so it's good to drive and effortlessly quick - many of the others are pathetically weedy, the Superb seems to put out 115 bhp which isn't much for such a big heavy car. Some of the Volvos and BMWs are well under 100bhp!
Once in hybrid mode it puts out 306bhp and does 60 in 5.5s, it's not sporty but is genuinely fast at any speed - the car maintains some charge so that the full combined power is always available.
The hybrid system is actually incredibly simple and durable compared to the others - there are no belts, no turbo, no supercharger, no starter motor, no alternator, no timing belt, no complex DSG or autobox, no clutch. Add in Toyota reliability and the 10 year warranty and you have a recipe for low cost and hassle free long term ownership.
I looked at and drove most of the rivals and as a package, the Toyota system is better on almost every metric.
Firstly it does a genuine 45 - 50 miles as a pure EV and the electric motors put out 240bhp so it's good to drive and effortlessly quick - many of the others are pathetically weedy, the Superb seems to put out 115 bhp which isn't much for such a big heavy car. Some of the Volvos and BMWs are well under 100bhp!
Once in hybrid mode it puts out 306bhp and does 60 in 5.5s, it's not sporty but is genuinely fast at any speed - the car maintains some charge so that the full combined power is always available.
The hybrid system is actually incredibly simple and durable compared to the others - there are no belts, no turbo, no supercharger, no starter motor, no alternator, no timing belt, no complex DSG or autobox, no clutch. Add in Toyota reliability and the 10 year warranty and you have a recipe for low cost and hassle free long term ownership.
I looked at and drove most of the rivals and as a package, the Toyota system is better on almost every metric.
Edited by Snow and Rocks on Thursday 21st November 23:30
Phev can be a good solution generally, the Superb is bound to be better than most.
I had a Superb for 10 years, recently changed it for an Enyaq. The Superb was the best car i’ve owned.
My wife has a Ford Kuga Phev, 49 mile range in summer, 30 at worst now. Covers 90%+ of journeys. That’s a nice car too.
Not put any petrol in it for months!
It has Hud & matrix lights, a nice place to be.
I thought range would be a problem with my first full electric, but it isn’t. Took the Enyaq from Oxford to North Yorkshire for a weekend , charged it once at Tesla chargers near Harrogate. Easy.
Guess the Phev will still be useful for longer trip to West country etc.
I had a Superb for 10 years, recently changed it for an Enyaq. The Superb was the best car i’ve owned.
My wife has a Ford Kuga Phev, 49 mile range in summer, 30 at worst now. Covers 90%+ of journeys. That’s a nice car too.
Not put any petrol in it for months!
It has Hud & matrix lights, a nice place to be.
I thought range would be a problem with my first full electric, but it isn’t. Took the Enyaq from Oxford to North Yorkshire for a weekend , charged it once at Tesla chargers near Harrogate. Easy.
Guess the Phev will still be useful for longer trip to West country etc.
Edited by anonymous-user on Friday 22 November 08:28
And again, thanks all.
Just looking into the battery warranty and this is where it gets confusing.
Via Skoda chat, the man said the warranty is transferable (for the iV range), however according to their T&Cs, it is only transferable for BEVs and not PHEVs.
https://www.skoda.co.uk/_doc/46df90c7-03bd-4018-be...
Just looking into the battery warranty and this is where it gets confusing.
Via Skoda chat, the man said the warranty is transferable (for the iV range), however according to their T&Cs, it is only transferable for BEVs and not PHEVs.
https://www.skoda.co.uk/_doc/46df90c7-03bd-4018-be...
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