The rise of BYD

[mtvessel]

How BYD went from a battery manufacturer with 20 employees to become the second largest car manufacturer in the world in 30 years.

https://youtu.be/NV0JegaYuI4?feature=shared

[TwigtheWonderkid]

I got a BYD Uber in Honk Kong back in November. It was at night, and the interior was fantastic. The door handles had these lit up blue circles on them, very cool.

[Panamax]

UK is one of few countries in the Western World that hasn't slapped big tariffs on Chinese electric cars, while Trump is slapping big tariffs on just about everything. Wave goodbye to the tattered remnants of UK car industry.

[Dingu]

Panamax said:

UK is one of few countries in the Western World that hasn't slapped big tariffs on Chinese electric cars, while Trump is slapping big tariffs on just about everything. Wave goodbye to the tattered remnants of UK car industry.

Considering the state of UK manufactured high volume cars that isn’t a bad thing.

Everything else comes from China so bring on the cheap cars.

[Wardy78]

And with Elon's bizarre tactics specifically alienating Tesla's prime UK customer base, there is a chasm sized gap in the market opening up.

[Pistonheadsdicoverer]

Panamax said:

UK is one of few countries in the Western World that hasn't slapped big tariffs on Chinese electric cars, while Trump is slapping big tariffs on just about everything. Wave goodbye to the tattered remnants of UK car industry.

I mean...

Vauxhall
JLR
MG
Mini

All have foreign blood or are foreign owned

Can't see Aston M, Bentley, RR, Lotus, McLaren getting worried by the Chinese.
They're all foreign owned.

[Wacky Racer]

Saw a BYD outside Dev's shop on Coronation Street about three months ago, first time I have ever noticed one tbh,

I've seen about three since. They look OK.

[ashenfie]

I Can only see thump tariffs helping everyone else. Ultimately US build costs will rise and tariffs imposed in response to his tariffs. Hopefully the UK can gain better relations with the EU and maybe start exporting something, I know that is partly wishful thinking.

[Panamax]

Pistonheadsdicoverer said:

I mean...
Vauxhall
JLR
MG
Mini

All have foreign blood or are foreign owned.

The point is different from ownership. How many people does BYD employ in the UK?
Compare the 3,500 people employed by Honda at Swindon before they packed up and left.

[Pistonheadsdicoverer]

Panamax said:

The point is different from ownership. How many people does BYD employ in the UK?
Compare the 3,500 people employed by Honda at Swindon before they packed up and left.

Why did Honda left?
And Vauxhall close the Luton branch?

[anonymous-user]

Panamax said:

UK is one of few countries in the Western World that hasn't slapped big tariffs on Chinese electric cars, while Trump is slapping big tariffs on just about everything. Wave goodbye to the tattered remnants of UK car industry.

Yes, It's all the fault of the Chinese car industry and the lack of tariffs. Not decades of appalling management, lethargic workers, egotistical unions and buyers wanting german badges.

[Shaoxter]

Panamax said:

UK is one of few countries in the Western World that hasn't slapped big tariffs on Chinese electric cars, while Trump is slapping big tariffs on just about everything. Wave goodbye to the tattered remnants of UK car industry.

Yeah tariffs are the answer to everything aren't they

[DSLiverpool]

Our OMODA is brilliant

[Chrisd83]

MrBig said:

Panamax said:

UK is one of few countries in the Western World that hasn't slapped big tariffs on Chinese electric cars, while Trump is slapping big tariffs on just about everything. Wave goodbye to the tattered remnants of UK car industry.

Yes, It's all the fault of the Chinese car industry and the lack of tariffs. Not decades of appalling management, lethargic workers, egotistical unions and buyers wanting german badges.

Fully agree with this one buddy!

I worked at the Cowley plant in 2006 and it was horrific, standard of cars being produced was so poor! Also so many politics….being a UK brand, German managed business. Ironically I work in Rail and that is 10 times worse

[TheDrownedApe]

I work for Babcock; they don't allow them on their company car scheme and i suspect its because of the PRC big brother lean-in

[Silvanus]

DSLiverpool said:

Our OMODA is brilliant

When we were car shopping recently I had a look around one. It gets slated in the motoring press, I'm guessing it's a lot of car for the money.

[DSLiverpool]

Silvanus said:

DSLiverpool said:

Our OMODA is brilliant

When we were car shopping recently I had a look around one. It gets slated in the motoring press, I'm guessing it's a lot of car for the money.

It’s a good car, replaced a qashqai and ioniq - it’s on a par with both - only the ux is poor / unusual.

[Europa Jon]

Pistonheadsdicoverer said:

Why did Honda left?
And Vauxhall close the Luton branch?

Honda left the UK to transfer production to Japan. Higher volumes In one factory is more efficient than running two of them.
Honda only set up in the UK because the EU were imposing tarrifs on Japanese cars, and saw Swindon as a good bet. The EU and Japan agreed to end reciprocal duties - so Honda had no reason to stick around in our country.
As for Vauxhall at Luton - no idea, but obviously it was a fiscal decision. I don't buy the EV mandate excuse, as they knew what was coming.

[Jag_NE]

Wardy78 said:

And with Elon's bizarre tactics specifically alienating Tesla's prime UK customer base, there is a chasm sized gap in the market opening up.

Id be interested to know the split of private Tesla sales vs company car / salary sacrifice leases etc.

The BIK savings probs have massively more impact than anything EM says?

[Murph7355]

Panamax said:

Pistonheadsdicoverer said:

I mean...
Vauxhall
JLR
MG
Mini

All have foreign blood or are foreign owned.

The point is different from ownership. How many people does BYD employ in the UK?
Compare the 3,500 people employed by Honda at Swindon before they packed up and left.

Tariffs won't protect UK car manufacture. Good products will.

And if other markets are whacking tariffs on Chinese cars, that could feasibly help UK manufacturers.

Tariffs will just hit local buyers - everything will get more expensive.

I'm not suggesting they shouldn't be done. Anti-dumping is important, as might be "levelish" playing fields on energy costs and labour. Maybe. But they're not as clear cut as many think. Including Trumpenstein.