Its that time again Ev shortlist help me choose
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Hello there current salary sacrifice lease car will be returning at Christmas and I'm considering renewing and leasing for a further 3 years.
I'm sold on EV's (last 6 years I've had an EV and they work for me). Started with a BMW I3s, car being returned is a Genesis Gv60 and my wife runs a Hyundai Kona EV(also about to be changed).
Shortlist:
Polestar 3
Polestar 4
Genesis Gv70
Genesis Gv60
A bit leftfield Ionic 5N
BYD Sealion 7
BMW I5 estate
I've looked through the PH threads and I'm now wondering if I've missed any other cars (Not keen on Tesla, unsure about Audi/Mercedes Ev's).
Can you help me choose?
Needs to be a hatchback, Ev, on the company Arval scheme and a little bit premium please?
Thank you muchly.
I'm sold on EV's (last 6 years I've had an EV and they work for me). Started with a BMW I3s, car being returned is a Genesis Gv60 and my wife runs a Hyundai Kona EV(also about to be changed).
Shortlist:
Polestar 3
Polestar 4
Genesis Gv70
Genesis Gv60
A bit leftfield Ionic 5N
BYD Sealion 7
BMW I5 estate
I've looked through the PH threads and I'm now wondering if I've missed any other cars (Not keen on Tesla, unsure about Audi/Mercedes Ev's).
Can you help me choose?
Needs to be a hatchback, Ev, on the company Arval scheme and a little bit premium please?
Thank you muchly.
I’m looking at a similar shortlist.
I test drove a Polestar 3 a few weeks ago and it’s a very impressive car. Silky smooth, refined drive, looks great inside and out, loads of room in the back, effortless performance with the dual motors. But the software reliability appears very suspect at the moment. Even accounting for the usual online negative bias, the issues look to be real and widespread. Polestar service support also seems to be lacking. Loads of stories of cars sitting at Volvo dealerships waiting for repair parts.
The Polestar 4 also looks great, but I haven’t driven one. I was put off by the width of it on our narrow local roads. It’s wider than anything comparable. It may or may not be a problem for you, but I would take note and check it out. The chassis is a bit less sophisticated than the PS3 too. No air springs or torque vectoring here. Again, just something to note when comparing them. Also appears to be software buggy, but perhaps less so than the PS3.
I currently drive a 2022 Tesla Model Y and I know you said that you are not keen. But I test drove the refreshed Model Y dual motor and was surprised how much they have improved it, especially ride quality and cabin noise. I would try one even just to use as a benchmark against the others. It’s a pretty impressive, well sorted car now.
Others on my shortlist yet to drive are the Kia EV6 GT, Porsche Macan EV 4S and the new Alpine A390 when available. The latter looks particularly interesting with tri-motors for active torque vectoring. The Macan is very expensive once you start adding a few essential options to match the others.
Anyway, that’s where I am at the moment. I think the Polestar 3 AWD would probably be my top pick at the moment if it wasn’t for the software gremlins.
I test drove a Polestar 3 a few weeks ago and it’s a very impressive car. Silky smooth, refined drive, looks great inside and out, loads of room in the back, effortless performance with the dual motors. But the software reliability appears very suspect at the moment. Even accounting for the usual online negative bias, the issues look to be real and widespread. Polestar service support also seems to be lacking. Loads of stories of cars sitting at Volvo dealerships waiting for repair parts.
The Polestar 4 also looks great, but I haven’t driven one. I was put off by the width of it on our narrow local roads. It’s wider than anything comparable. It may or may not be a problem for you, but I would take note and check it out. The chassis is a bit less sophisticated than the PS3 too. No air springs or torque vectoring here. Again, just something to note when comparing them. Also appears to be software buggy, but perhaps less so than the PS3.
I currently drive a 2022 Tesla Model Y and I know you said that you are not keen. But I test drove the refreshed Model Y dual motor and was surprised how much they have improved it, especially ride quality and cabin noise. I would try one even just to use as a benchmark against the others. It’s a pretty impressive, well sorted car now.
Others on my shortlist yet to drive are the Kia EV6 GT, Porsche Macan EV 4S and the new Alpine A390 when available. The latter looks particularly interesting with tri-motors for active torque vectoring. The Macan is very expensive once you start adding a few essential options to match the others.
Anyway, that’s where I am at the moment. I think the Polestar 3 AWD would probably be my top pick at the moment if it wasn’t for the software gremlins.
uktrailmonster said:
I m looking at a similar shortlist.
I test drove a Polestar 3 a few weeks ago and it s a very impressive car. Silky smooth, refined drive, looks great inside and out, loads of room in the back, effortless performance with the dual motors. But the software reliability appears very suspect at the moment. Even accounting for the usual online negative bias, the issues look to be real and widespread. Polestar service support also seems to be lacking. Loads of stories of cars sitting at Volvo dealerships waiting for repair parts.
The Polestar 4 also looks great, but I haven t driven one. I was put off by the width of it on our narrow local roads. It s wider than anything comparable. It may or may not be a problem for you, but I would take note and check it out. The chassis is a bit less sophisticated than the PS3 too. No air springs or torque vectoring here. Again, just something to note when comparing them. Also appears to be software buggy, but perhaps less so than the PS3.
I currently drive a 2022 Tesla Model Y and I know you said that you are not keen. But I test drove the refreshed Model Y dual motor and was surprised how much they have improved it, especially ride quality and cabin noise. I would try one even just to use as a benchmark against the others. It s a pretty impressive, well sorted car now.
Others on my shortlist yet to drive are the Kia EV6 GT, Porsche Macan EV 4S and the new Alpine A390 when available. The latter looks particularly interesting with tri-motors for active torque vectoring. The Macan is very expensive once you start adding a few essential options to match the others.
Anyway, that s where I am at the moment. I think the Polestar 3 AWD would probably be my top pick at the moment if it wasn t for the software gremlins.
Really appreciate your reply and also the reply about the Ioniq5N.......I test drove a Polestar 3 a few weeks ago and it s a very impressive car. Silky smooth, refined drive, looks great inside and out, loads of room in the back, effortless performance with the dual motors. But the software reliability appears very suspect at the moment. Even accounting for the usual online negative bias, the issues look to be real and widespread. Polestar service support also seems to be lacking. Loads of stories of cars sitting at Volvo dealerships waiting for repair parts.
The Polestar 4 also looks great, but I haven t driven one. I was put off by the width of it on our narrow local roads. It s wider than anything comparable. It may or may not be a problem for you, but I would take note and check it out. The chassis is a bit less sophisticated than the PS3 too. No air springs or torque vectoring here. Again, just something to note when comparing them. Also appears to be software buggy, but perhaps less so than the PS3.
I currently drive a 2022 Tesla Model Y and I know you said that you are not keen. But I test drove the refreshed Model Y dual motor and was surprised how much they have improved it, especially ride quality and cabin noise. I would try one even just to use as a benchmark against the others. It s a pretty impressive, well sorted car now.
Others on my shortlist yet to drive are the Kia EV6 GT, Porsche Macan EV 4S and the new Alpine A390 when available. The latter looks particularly interesting with tri-motors for active torque vectoring. The Macan is very expensive once you start adding a few essential options to match the others.
Anyway, that s where I am at the moment. I think the Polestar 3 AWD would probably be my top pick at the moment if it wasn t for the software gremlins.
Interesting you are looking at similar, take the point about Model Y I think I have unconscious bias kicking in against Tesla......
Our scheme seems to price Polestars very competitively i.e. an 88k Polestar 3 is cheaper monthlies than a 65k VW Buzz. No idea I thought salary sacrifice schemes was just P111D divided by monthly payments.
Kia EV6 GT, Porsche Macan EV 4S and the new Alpine A390 Not on our list yet but good options.
rugbyleague said:
No idea I thought salary sacrifice schemes was just P111D divided by monthly payments.
I ve noticed the deals depend on what they can get, so no different to normal lease providers. I haven t seen a deal for ages in my companies scheme, its always more expensive than leasing privately and I guess only suitable for those trying to avoid high marginal taxes, like the £100k cliff.Xpeng G6 is good if you want a comfort orientated tech forward D segment SUV. It’s basically a Tesla Model Y knockoff without the Elon Musk associations.
Edited by wyson on Friday 27th June 06:33
Yep, the pricing dependent on what deal the lease company can get and projected depreciation over the term. The P11d used purely for BIK calculation.
If it was me picking from that list it would be between the 5N and i5. The BMW being the most practical and premium, the Hyundai the most fun.
Chinese knock offs don't appeal and the Polestars seem to have a lot of software issues based on what I've read on these forums. Genesis doesn't appeal to me, and you've already had one so assume your like a change.
If it was me picking from that list it would be between the 5N and i5. The BMW being the most practical and premium, the Hyundai the most fun.
Chinese knock offs don't appeal and the Polestars seem to have a lot of software issues based on what I've read on these forums. Genesis doesn't appeal to me, and you've already had one so assume your like a change.
Edited by SWoll on Friday 27th June 07:23
EV8 said:
Ioniq 5N. Does everything in one package. You wont regret it.
This. To be honest I've not driven any of the others but probably don't need to. Docile when you want, bonkers when you don't, seats 5 with lots of boot space. Fully equipped and easy to disengage the bings/bongs. Perfection IMO.I think my only complaints are the turning circle and 225 mile range. But am nit picking really as I'd happily live with both.
rugbyleague said:
Shortlist:
[...]
Genesis Gv60
A bit leftfield Ionic 5N
[...]
Speculation based on specs/daydreaming (without test drives): [...]
Genesis Gv60
A bit leftfield Ionic 5N
[...]
A bit less leftfield: the new KIA EV6 GT. A less focused alternative to 5N. For me, the main advantage over 5N would be the ability to add a tow hook (for a bike carrier).
I'm not sure if the KIA EV9 (or Ioniq 9) would be considered a hatchback, but seven seats can be useful/fun, and you'd get a bit of extra range compared to Ioniq 5N/EV 6 GT (but will stay longer at the chargers).
If you're used to GV60 charging speed and flexibility, it is probably helpful to check ev-database for the charging speed in miles per hour (for 10-80%). If you're used to being able to do a "spark and dash" at over 200kW with over 40% charge, most of the other options mentioned might be frustrating (at least initially).
(for context: we're approaching 3 years with a 2023 Ioniq 5 AWD. A bit over 40,000 miles, 600+ mile days are pretty common)
[edit: somehow managed to miss the discussion about EV6 GT above - hope the point about the tow hook was a useful addition!]
Edited by PetrolHeadInRecovery on Friday 27th June 08:17
Zero Fuchs said:
EV8 said:
Ioniq 5N. Does everything in one package. You wont regret it.
This. To be honest I've not driven any of the others but probably don't need to. Docile when you want, bonkers when you don't, seats 5 with lots of boot space. Fully equipped and easy to disengage the bings/bongs. Perfection IMO.I think my only complaints are the turning circle and 225 mile range. But am nit picking really as I'd happily live with both.
I've gone form a Tesla M3 to BMW i5.
The i5 is a big car which depending on your use could be a pain. It's also slightly compromised as it's not built on a dedicatred EV chassis, the obvious cost saving is also disspointing.
It's a nice please to be in but I can't help be a bit disspointed with it.
The i5 is a big car which depending on your use could be a pain. It's also slightly compromised as it's not built on a dedicatred EV chassis, the obvious cost saving is also disspointing.
It's a nice please to be in but I can't help be a bit disspointed with it.
It’s tricky. I need to start thinking about a new one and ideally an SUV for ease and comfort.
The VAG products seem a bit “miss” in my option and I’m normally a big fan. The macan seems good but it’s too expensive for what it is imo.
The model y is an option but I don’t like the no parking sensors, and that you have to use the screen to shift between p d r now.
Maybe I’ll try the Q6. But like someone else said it all depends on the deals on the day.
The VAG products seem a bit “miss” in my option and I’m normally a big fan. The macan seems good but it’s too expensive for what it is imo.
The model y is an option but I don’t like the no parking sensors, and that you have to use the screen to shift between p d r now.
Maybe I’ll try the Q6. But like someone else said it all depends on the deals on the day.
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