7 Seat ID Buzz - where are they?
7 Seat ID Buzz - where are they?
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LayZ

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1,743 posts

258 months

Monday 21st July
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Last winter we took a test drive in the LWB Buzz. These things are seriously impressive if you have a family and big kids. My son is 15 and 6'4" and can fit in the third row comfortably. Plus all the stuff you could do with it.

Of course new they are eye wateringly expensive, especially with the kit you want, like Travel Assist etc. The battery isn't big enough either, in an EV9 you get a 100kwh pack and it is 86kwh in the Buzz. EV9 is 800v and charges better too. I still want a Buzz instead because it is cool and EV9s are just massive without van-based practicality.

On Autotrader there are 8 available, all new. Given VW's almost existential crisis, and that this vehicle should be a smash hit, where are they? Why aren't they churning them out? Another bizarre decision, they are only availble from VW Commercial dealers, do you have to go to a place full of panel vans to even see one. It's like they want to be beaten by the Chinese. Discuss.

Edited by LayZ on Monday 21st July 10:06

RotorRambler

369 posts

6 months

Monday 21st July
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“ Volkswagen has struggled to scale ID. Buzz production, especially the LWB version. The Hanover plant has been:
Prioritising left-hand drive vans first (North America, EU);
Plagued by software, battery, and supply chain issues;
Hit by a reshuffle in strategy as VW shifted focus back toward hybrids and away from aggressive BEV expansion”

ChocolateFrog

32,240 posts

189 months

Monday 21st July
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I see them semi-regularly now.

They're still bloody expensive even via SS. I'm seriously considering one as my next car but there's always that balance between the £18k or so I'd pay over 3 years with nothing at the end Vs the Caravelle or Multi van I could buy for a similar price.

They do look desirable to me though, which can't be said for anything else new and with a VW badge on at the moment.

LayZ

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1,743 posts

258 months

Monday 21st July
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RotorRambler said:
Volkswagen has struggled to scale ID. Buzz production, especially the LWB version. The Hanover plant has been:
Prioritising left-hand drive vans first (North America, EU);
Plagued by software, battery, and supply chain issues;
Hit by a reshuffle in strategy as VW shifted focus back toward hybrids and away from aggressive BEV expansion
This is very depressing. And they have stopped sale on the T6 transporter and the new one is a rebadged Transit with a wet belt. National embarrassment for Germany.

IntegraTypeR

108 posts

266 months

Tuesday 22nd July
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LayZ said:
Another bizarre decision, they are only availble from VW Commercial dealers, do you have to go to a place full of panel vans to even see one.

Edited by LayZ on Monday 21st July 10:06
Our LWB was delivered a couple of months back and yes it was very strange having to go via the commercial side of the dealership. I think they quite enjoyed dealing with excited new "owners" (it's a lease) rather than the usual white van business sales.

It's a big old beast, but enjoying the space it provides for the kids. Shame it doesn't have air suspension as it's quite tall, so doesn't fit into some of the lower multi story car parks (or is close enough that I wouldn't want to risk it).

The battery size is fine for our needs, but it's crazy they didn't manage to fit something larger into such a massive and expensive vehicle. Charging speeds are just about adequate, but already a way off the latest tech. I'm also not convinced by the ride quality at lower speeds over less than perfect roads - it feels a little choppy for want of a better word. I haven't driven many long vehicles though, so perhaps that's a common trait.

It is quite a cool thing though!

Edited by IntegraTypeR on Tuesday 22 July 05:46

wyson

3,662 posts

120 months

Tuesday 22nd July
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I think people just want SUV s now. Simple as.

Almost all the van based people carriers I see in London have a TFL mini cab sticker on them. Hardly see any privately run ones. On the other hand, huge SUV s are a dime a dozen.

Doubt a ID Buzz 7 seater would be cost effective as a taxi.

Edited by wyson on Tuesday 22 July 06:57

ashenfie

1,571 posts

62 months

Tuesday 22nd July
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While I love the idea of the buzz and it looks, you really have to understand the market. The buzz is too small for commercial operators and expensive. Ideal for a campers maybe but that’s a limited market. It makes a great marketing tool but really it’s a symbol rather than a mass production van.
So it’s not going to save VW, just raise it’s profits.

ChocolateFrog

32,240 posts

189 months

Tuesday 22nd July
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I actually think MPVs will make a comeback at some point, I hope so anyway.

I bet the Chinese could knock out one that beats the ID BUZZ on paper for half the price.

I'd take a very serious look at a BYD MPV, bonus points if they put the 500hp Seal architecture underneath it.

dapprman

2,612 posts

283 months

Tuesday 22nd July
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Doesn't the weight also mean it is actually classified as a commercial vehicle ? Seem to remember a discussion on that else where with the resultant costs with tolls, ferries, etc. Perhaps one of the owners here can confirm or refute this.

samoht

6,636 posts

162 months

Tuesday 22nd July
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dapprman said:
Doesn't the weight also mean it is actually classified as a commercial vehicle ? Seem to remember a discussion on that else where with the resultant costs with tolls, ferries, etc. Perhaps one of the owners here can confirm or refute this.
It's ~2.7 tonnes, which is comfortably below the newly increased car weight limit for EVs of 4250kg.


Back2theFuji

333 posts

39 months

Tuesday 22nd July
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ChocolateFrog said:
I actually think MPVs will make a comeback at some point, I hope so anyway.

I bet the Chinese could knock out one that beats the ID BUZZ on paper for half the price.

I'd take a very serious look at a BYD MPV, bonus points if they put the 500hp Seal architecture underneath it.
The Kia PV5 is on its way. Still more of a van than an MPV though.

Glasgowrob

3,293 posts

137 months

Tuesday 22nd July
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Have a look at the levc 380 if they actually manage to get it into production it’s going to wipe the floor with everything from the I’d buzz to Mercedes V class

LayZ

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1,743 posts

258 months

Wednesday 23rd July
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Hadn't heard of that, thanks, looks amazing.

https://www.levc.com/new-models/l380/

ChocolateFrog

32,240 posts

189 months

Wednesday 23rd July
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If that's the same company that produces black cabs won't it be Chinese goods at London prices?

Does look good but will still need to undercut something like a BUZZ comfortably to win private customers over.

48Valves

2,427 posts

225 months

Wednesday 23rd July
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I really wanted a LWB Buzz GTX as it would have been perfect for my needs if it had a decent sized battery.

They reportedly struggle to do 200 miles in winter which is pitiful. It would be even worse loaded up with 4 people and luggage.

LayZ

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1,743 posts

258 months

Wednesday 23rd July
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Yes, we regularly use our Ioniq 5 with a 77khw pack to trips to SW France. In the winter at Autoroute speed, 4 up, car full of stuff, you need to aim for like 120 miles between rapid chargers. Buzz with just 9kw more is obviously going to be worse.

Glasgowrob

3,293 posts

137 months

Wednesday 23rd July
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Have a look at the levc 380 if they actually manage to get it into production it’s going to wipe the floor with everything from the I’d buzz to Mercedes V class

ted 191

1,452 posts

241 months

Wednesday 23rd July
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ChocolateFrog said:
If that's the same company that produces black cabs won't it be Chinese goods at London prices?

Does look good but will still need to undercut something like a BUZZ comfortably to win private customers over.
The vans are £60k +………this thing must be over £100k

Familymad

1,325 posts

233 months

Wednesday 23rd July
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Test drove the LWB 7 seat in June. So very tempted as it’s a cool thing. Light and airy inside with loads of character. Great drive and excellent driving position. Some great PCP deals from VWFS.

Leithen

13,217 posts

283 months

Wednesday 23rd July
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I keep thinking of the original Espace.

The Buzz continues to be such a huge missed opportunity IMHO.