New Nissan Leaf starting under £30K!

[Pistonheadsdicoverer]

Apparently it qualifies for the full gov grant and looks a lot like a newer version of the Ariya.
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/nissan/l...
Sub £30K for the entry level and the long range model can do .. 386 miles.

[Pickle_Rick]

Pistonheadsdicoverer said:

Apparently it qualifies for the full gov grant and looks a lot like a newer version of the Ariya.
https://www.carmagazine.co.uk/car-reviews/nissan/l...
Sub £30K for the entry level and the long range model can do .. 386 miles.

How do they give a car that takes near 8 seconds a 5 star rating for performance, yet in the nissan skyline g34 and tesla model 3 reviews they give 4 stars?

[TheDrownedApe]

Been waiting for more news on the release date as it all went quiet after the multiple pre-production reviews a few months ago. Need to order for March delivery and hoping it will be cheaper...ish

Thanks

[Jazoli]

Pickle_Rick said:

How do they give a car that takes near 8 seconds a 5 star rating for performance, yet in the nissan skyline g34 and tesla model 3 reviews they give 4 stars?

Not sure if serious?

It doesn’t have to be faster than a Model 3 to score more, it’s all relative.

[Russet Grange]

Does look good, and perhaps the pricing is a reflection of the cost of Chinese rivals.

I won't be buying one, but I might well be buying the 64kwh second gen when it gets into £10k territory.

(I have a ifirst gen, it's been great, but I want longer range now. Considering a few cars, have been for a while. Part of the 'problem' with EVs is that they keep getting better, so deciding on a used buy isn't easy).

[kambites]

Those range figures look very optimistic, even by WLTP EV standards. That short range version is claiming to average 5.2 miles/kWh! To their credit at least Nissan are admitting the long range car will only do around 200-250 miles at motorway speeds.

Looks well judged overall, especially if they can get it under £30k (the Car article estimates £33k entry). Shame it's FWD.

Edited by kambites on Monday 13th October 08:51

[P675]

Doesn't look too bad to be fair, for the price. The shifter buttons on the centre console look a bit fisher price but the outside looks a lot better than the original.

[butchstewie]

Now I know why I use an ad-blocker.

Bloody hell that site

[HTP99]

kambites said:

Those range figures look very optimistic, even by WLTP EV standards. That short range version is claiming to average 5.2 miles/kWh! To their credit at least Nissan are admitting the long range car will only do around 200-250 miles at motorway speeds.

Looks well judged overall, especially if they can get it under £30k (the Car article estimates £33k entry). Shame it's FWD.

Edited by kambites on Monday 13th October 08:51

Why, what actual real world difference does that make?

[kambites]

HTP99 said:

Why, what actual real world difference does that make?

Every FWD EV I've driven has struggled for traction if driven remotely enthusiastically. Probably not going to matter to most buyers, admittedly.

[TheDrownedApe]

kambites said:

HTP99 said:

Why, what actual real world difference does that make?

Every FWD EV I've driven has struggled for traction if driven remotely enthusiastically. Probably not going to matter to most buyers, admittedly.

RWD is more efficient...although i don't know how much more

[Pickle_Rick]

Jazoli said:

Not sure if serious?

It doesn t have to be faster than a Model 3 to score more, it s all relative.

Yes I'm serious. What's the point of a rating system if it bears no correlation with other scores so can't be compared? Does it's overall 4 stay rating mean it's pretty good against all other cars, or is it 4 star compared to just the previous crappy Nissan leaf, which means it's a minor improvement and therefore still crap compared to the competition? If you got an A in gcse French, is that worse than someone who got a D but was expected to fail "because it's all relative"?

[ajprice]

Jazoli said:

Pickle_Rick said:

How do they give a car that takes near 8 seconds a 5 star rating for performance, yet in the nissan skyline g34 and tesla model 3 reviews they give 4 stars?

Not sure if serious?

It doesn t have to be faster than a Model 3 to score more, it s all relative.

Not sure either. They're in different markets, and it's more than comparing top trumps 0-60 figures, it's relative. 8 seconds to 60 for a £30k standard model family hatchback is good, 8 seconds to 60 for a £40-60k 3 series alternative saloon isn't good. Petrol or EV.

[Somebody]

I don't get the recent trend towards thick 2 spoke steering wheels. Not at all aesthetically pleasing to me.

[kambites]

Somebody said:

I don't get the recent trend towards thick 2 spoke steering wheels. Not at all aesthetically pleasing to me.

Could be worse, it could be square like our MG's!

[Jazoli]

Pickle_Rick said:

Jazoli said:

Not sure if serious?

It doesn t have to be faster than a Model 3 to score more, it s all relative.

Yes I'm serious. What's the point of a rating system if it bears no correlation with other scores so can't be compared? Does it's overall 4 stay rating mean it's pretty good against all other cars, or is it 4 star compared to just the previous crappy Nissan leaf, which means it's a minor improvement and therefore still crap compared to the competition? If you got an A in gcse French, is that worse than someone who got a D but was expected to fail "because it's all relative"?

If it bothers you that much and you can't understand the difference I suggest you pick it up with Car magazine then!

[ajprice]

Jazoli said:

Pickle_Rick said:

Jazoli said:

Not sure if serious?

It doesn t have to be faster than a Model 3 to score more, it s all relative.

Yes I'm serious. What's the point of a rating system if it bears no correlation with other scores so can't be compared? Does it's overall 4 stay rating mean it's pretty good against all other cars, or is it 4 star compared to just the previous crappy Nissan leaf, which means it's a minor improvement and therefore still crap compared to the competition? If you got an A in gcse French, is that worse than someone who got a D but was expected to fail "because it's all relative"?

If it bothers you that much and you can't understand the difference I suggest you pick it up with Car magazine then!

You rate the car for what it is. You wouldn't complain about a 5 star £20 deckchair being less comfortable than a 3 Star £500 reclining armchair.

[TheDeuce]

ajprice said:

Jazoli said:

Pickle_Rick said:

How do they give a car that takes near 8 seconds a 5 star rating for performance, yet in the nissan skyline g34 and tesla model 3 reviews they give 4 stars?

Not sure if serious?

It doesn t have to be faster than a Model 3 to score more, it s all relative.

Not sure either. They're in different markets, and it's more than comparing top trumps 0-60 figures, it's relative. 8 seconds to 60 for a £30k standard model family hatchback is good, 8 seconds to 60 for a £40-60k 3 series alternative saloon isn't good. Petrol or EV.

Quite. It's also going to be compared to other relatively low cost family runaround cars with IC engines, and on that metric alone it's going to have 'relatively' very good performance for day to day driving.

Anyway, looks like a decent effort from Nissan to me! They've obviously got real about the fact that EV's need to be affordable if they're to stand a chance against the Chinese brands, and they've made a car at a suitable price point to compete. Looks fine to me and has strong range. For the masses that just want 'a car', it's probably a very good choice.