EV and winter driving
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Apparently you're wrong, it's a bit daft.
There's a 'debate' (one cantankerous poster vs everyone else) who doesn't agree with you!
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
There's a 'debate' (one cantankerous poster vs everyone else) who doesn't agree with you!
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Mammasaid said:
Apparently you're wrong, it's a bit daft.
There's a 'debate' (one cantankerous poster vs everyone else) who doesn't agree with you!
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
I stopped posting in that thread when the 'crazy' people turned up. Page 1, I think.There's a 'debate' (one cantankerous poster vs everyone else) who doesn't agree with you!
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
Road2Ruin said:
Never going back to an ICE, for this reason alone, but any other reasons you wouldn't go back?
Cost per mile being about 10% of ICE and the fact they're just better as cars. You might not get the emotion you get from ICE, but if EVs in their current format had existed when the ICE was invented, I suspect ICE would never have been invented.AyBee said:
Road2Ruin said:
Never going back to an ICE, for this reason alone, but any other reasons you wouldn't go back?
Cost per mile being about 10% of ICE and the fact they're just better as cars. You might not get the emotion you get from ICE, but if EVs in their current format had existed when the ICE was invented, I suspect ICE would never have been invented.AyBee said:
Cost per mile being about 10% of ICE and the fact they're just better as cars. You might not get the emotion you get from ICE, but if EVs in their current format had existed when the ICE was invented, I suspect ICE would never have been invented.
They are "better" cars for people who prefer them.I still have no desire to own an EV, so for me it would not be a "better" car.
davek_964 said:
They are "better" cars for people who prefer them.
They are (objectively) "better cars" for people who have the ability to charge at home, who want to get from A to B as efficiently and effortlessly as possible, where A and B are not too far apart. Whether they are subjectively is, obviously, subjective! Personally, I can't see us ever not having both in the garage.
Road2Ruin said:
Cold outside this morning, -3, so put the preheat on.
The Polestar was 22c and defrosted by the time I got in.
Bliss.
Let them stare, I say.
Anyone else craw to share such a warming feeling
Never going back to an ICE, for this reason alone, but any other reasons you wouldn't go back?
To be fair there are lots of ICE cars that have been doing this for the last 10 years, but yes it is a great feature. Used it on my R5 this morning and it was all defrosted in 5 minutes. This was from a stone cold, not charged during the night battery with no residual heat and it still managed to kick out some heat quickly at -2 and defrost in time at all. My C63 would take an age before any heat was coming out. 6.2l takes a damn long time to warm up idling.The Polestar was 22c and defrosted by the time I got in.
Bliss.
Let them stare, I say.
Anyone else craw to share such a warming feeling
Never going back to an ICE, for this reason alone, but any other reasons you wouldn't go back?
If you can charge at home for cheap, the range works for you, you get a great used deal or silly cheap through a work scheme - they are a no brainer. Even in my little R5 which I got purely because I loved the design and turned down boring SUV's worth £20k+ more through work, I have barely had to public charge despite it's more limited range and covering 11.5k miles in 6.5 months already. 11.5k and cost me £330 even with expensive public charging being over half that cost (despite being only 13% of the total charges) for that cost you can't complain at all. It's already saved over £2k in petrol in half a year. Planning to put 100k and more on it so I am intrigued to see how it goes.
I am lucky that I have a DC5 Type R and can steal my wife's GR86 for fun drives so I get the best of all worlds and I am using the petrol savings to make running those "free" and covered through the savings. Man maths and all that.
Edited by Goatwidcoat on Friday 13th November 10:52
davek_964 said:
AyBee said:
Cost per mile being about 10% of ICE and the fact they're just better as cars. You might not get the emotion you get from ICE, but if EVs in their current format had existed when the ICE was invented, I suspect ICE would never have been invented.
They are "better" cars for people who prefer them.I still have no desire to own an EV, so for me it would not be a "better" car.
I’m sure it’s already a contentious post but idling an ICE particularly from cold isn’t good for the engine let alone the environment and neighbours should one suffer other people being within a 10 mile radius of their manor.
EVs heat up almost silently creating a load of fumes. The flip side of winter driving in an EV is the lack of a surplus of waste heat to keep the cabin. Our EV takes a significant range hit in the winter. It’s still the best A to B solution for a car propulsion system in my opinion.
EVs heat up almost silently creating a load of fumes. The flip side of winter driving in an EV is the lack of a surplus of waste heat to keep the cabin. Our EV takes a significant range hit in the winter. It’s still the best A to B solution for a car propulsion system in my opinion.
Simon_GH said:
I m sure it s already a contentious post but idling an ICE particularly from cold isn t good for the engine let alone the environment and neighbours should one suffer other people being within a 10 mile radius of their manor.
EVs heat up almost silently creating a load of fumes. The flip side of winter driving in an EV is the lack of a surplus of waste heat to keep the cabin. Our EV takes a significant range hit in the winter. It s still the best A to B solution for a car propulsion system in my opinion.
Yep completely agree. For A to B driving they can't be beaten and for the vast majority of cars they are the better proposition. EV speed I couldn't care less about. I used to wish my C63 was slower so that I could enjoy the sound for longer before having to back off. But so many people act like their 1.6 petrol/diesel is some peak form of engineering and because it can do 500 miles (that they have never once done in their life without needing to stop) it somehow makes it a better car. Actual special engines (for simple terms 6 cylinders and above) - sure they should exist forever as far as I'm concerned as all an EV has is instant speed which I find gets old fast, but for the 90% of boring A to B cars out there an EV is a step up in every way in terms of covering normal driving. Even charging is no issue at all. Takes 5 seconds after getting home and wake up with whatever charge you want. On a roadtrip the car is always done charging what I needed faster than the time it took me to go to the toilet and walk back.EVs heat up almost silently creating a load of fumes. The flip side of winter driving in an EV is the lack of a surplus of waste heat to keep the cabin. Our EV takes a significant range hit in the winter. It s still the best A to B solution for a car propulsion system in my opinion.
If I want to have fun an ICE car with a unique engine will always be the way to go. Still my favourite car to drive is my DC5 Type R. It's slow as hell, only has 220hp but you can use 100% of the power everywhere, it's light and just good fun to drive. Cannot beat the sound of a V8 though. My neck cracks around the second I hear one rumbling around somewhere. Miss my C63 so much for that.
Edited by Goatwidcoat on Friday 13th November 11:28
Probably the main reason ICE don't have preheat in the UK is because it's not legal to have an unattended car on public road with engine running. I know a few models slipped through but generally this is why it's not a UK option. Some cars still had a separate diesel heater as an option, like the Rover 75, but this is more to warm the engine not the cabin but still helps. Not to mention it stinks, my neighbour was defrosting his two cars, the fumes were pretty bad so I didn't stop to talk.
AyBee said:
davek_964 said:
AyBee said:
Cost per mile being about 10% of ICE and the fact they're just better as cars. You might not get the emotion you get from ICE, but if EVs in their current format had existed when the ICE was invented, I suspect ICE would never have been invented.
They are "better" cars for people who prefer them.I still have no desire to own an EV, so for me it would not be a "better" car.
They are not simply "better" - but it's not uncommon for people who have EVs on PH to have such a blinkered binary view, so I'll leave this thread so you can continue to pat each other on the back.
davek_964 said:
Objectively - EVs generally cost more to insure than ICE. And they take longer to charge than filling up with petrol. And they're more expensive to buy.
Hello 
2018 calling. In 2026 they're similar cost to buy/lease, for 99.9% of the time they take less time to fill (open flap and plug in, then do the reverse in the morning), and insurance costs like for like are not dissimilar.
Got in my EV i4 M50 this morning, and had to get out and put on a big winter coat as the heating has decided to do what it likes. Today's trick was to blow freezing air at me with the temp set to the highest.
Last night it decided to roast me (Temp set to 21) to the point I had to drive with the windows open to cool down and before you say just turn off the blower, that just make the screen mist up so I can't see where I'm going.
Booked into BMW next week to sort.
Last night it decided to roast me (Temp set to 21) to the point I had to drive with the windows open to cool down and before you say just turn off the blower, that just make the screen mist up so I can't see where I'm going.
Booked into BMW next week to sort.
Mammasaid said:
Hello 2018 calling.
In 2026 they're similar cost to buy/lease, for 99.9% of the time they take less time to fill (open flap and plug in, then do the reverse in the morning), and insurance costs like for like are not dissimilar.
I was just going to post that. It's amazing how some people have not kept up. 2018 calling. In 2026 they're similar cost to buy/lease, for 99.9% of the time they take less time to fill (open flap and plug in, then do the reverse in the morning), and insurance costs like for like are not dissimilar.
My 3 year old Polestar 2 cost me £18k. I plug it in when I get home, every couple of weeks, and it's ready in the morning. My insurance last year, fully comp, was less than £200.
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