2016 ENTRY LIST
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fatboy18

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19,485 posts

234 months

Tuesday 29th March 2016
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http://www.24h-lemans.com/wpphpFichiers/1/1/ressou...

Sadly Viper Exchange have opted out of competing this year as the ACO were being indecisive and they could not afford to wait to hear whether they were in or not as they were the 2nd car in the GTAM reserve list.
Being a non factory small team they had to get shipping organised early and this affected the decision not to attend.

Gutted frown

//j17

4,914 posts

246 months

Tuesday 29th March 2016
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I hope the ACO have some rules to make LMP2 paint schemes radically different from one-another or it's going to be a bugger trying to work out which of the more or less identical 9 Ligiers or 7 Orecas that is!

FredericRobinson

4,709 posts

255 months

Tuesday 29th March 2016
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Reserves aren't allocated by class, so they were 7th reserve whoever dropped out, given they aren't running the car in a qualifying championship they haven't got too much cause for complaint, not compared to some on the reserve list

fatboy18

Original Poster:

19,485 posts

234 months

Tuesday 29th March 2016
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FredericRobinson said:
Reserves aren't allocated by class, so they were 7th reserve whoever dropped out, given they aren't running the car in a qualifying championship they haven't got too much cause for complaint, not compared to some on the reserve list
My info came from team mechanics wink but thanks for the info on how the reserve list is used smile

I will have to go back to supporting the V8 Yellow Devils biggrin

FredericRobinson

4,709 posts

255 months

Tuesday 29th March 2016
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The system used to be separate reserve lists for prototypes and GTs, changed 2 or 3 years back.
It's a shame there's a lack of variety in GTs these days, no Pagani / TVR / Panoz / Spyker / Morgan / Saleen / Viper

williamp

20,106 posts

296 months

Tuesday 29th March 2016
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FredericRobinson said:
The system used to be separate reserve lists for prototypes and GTs, changed 2 or 3 years back.
It's a shame there's a lack of variety in GTs these days, no Pagani / TVR / Panoz / Spyker / Morgan / Saleen / Viper
Yes I know what you mean but its not too bad. C6 and C7 corvette, two types of Ferrari, FOUR Ford GT (how did they get 4???). And nom third Audi in LMP1.

DMN

3,040 posts

162 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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FredericRobinson said:
The system used to be separate reserve lists for prototypes and GTs, changed 2 or 3 years back.
It's a shame there's a lack of variety in GTs these days, no Pagani / TVR / Panoz / Spyker / Morgan / Saleen / Viper
LMP2 is going the same way, pretty much all Nissan engined cars. LMP1 hardly looks in rude health either.

OvalOwl

981 posts

154 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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williamp said:
FOUR Ford GT (how did they get 4???). And no third Audi in LMP1.
Ford get four PRO GT cars by throwing lots of money at it, I don't imagine platinum drivers come cheap either. A lack of money at VAG due to having to set aside a considerable sum to cover the emissions scandal means the big three LMP1 teams are on a level footing this year with two cars each.

//j17

4,914 posts

246 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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DMN said:
LMP2 is going the same way, pretty much all Nissan engined cars. LMP1 hardly looks in rude health either.
The idea is to split LMP1 in to manufacturer and privateer classes and get some of the LMP2 teams to move up so Rebellion have someone to race. Bykolles have already moved and Strakka are re-working their Dome from LMP2-LMP1 for next year.

LMP2 would be better if the ACO just left it alone - and stop what looks like money buying the rules. A couple of years back Honda had a great engine and everyone was swapping to HPD. Randomly the ACO punished HPD for doing a good job and restricted them, making them uncompetitive against the Nissan engine. Nissan haven't faced any similar punishment though...?

Output Flange

17,009 posts

234 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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DMN said:
LMP2 is going the same way, pretty much all Nissan engined cars. LMP1 hardly looks in rude health either.
Blame VW for that.

I do wonder how long Toyota will continue to trundle round at the back though.

RobGT81

5,229 posts

209 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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Output Flange said:
I do wonder how long Toyota will continue to trundle round at the back though.
They only trundled around last season after winning the title in 2014, no reason to think they won't be competitive this year.

Output Flange

17,009 posts

234 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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I only caught a couple of headlines from Paul Ricard, but was under the impression that Toyota didn't set the place alight?

OvalOwl

981 posts

154 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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Paul Ricard was a bit of a mixed bag. It's only a test of course but Toyota started in low downforce mode and were off the pace compared to the Porsche and Audi which were running high downforce. When Toyota tested in high downforce they moved above the Audi but Porsche seem the ones to beat.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/123465...

DMN

3,040 posts

162 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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//j17 said:
DMN said:
LMP2 is going the same way, pretty much all Nissan engined cars. LMP1 hardly looks in rude health either.
The idea is to split LMP1 in to manufacturer and privateer classes and get some of the LMP2 teams to move up so Rebellion have someone to race. Bykolles have already moved and Strakka are re-working their Dome from LMP2-LMP1 for next year.

LMP2 would be better if the ACO just left it alone - and stop what looks like money buying the rules. A couple of years back Honda had a great engine and everyone was swapping to HPD. Randomly the ACO punished HPD for doing a good job and restricted them, making them uncompetitive against the Nissan engine. Nissan haven't faced any similar punishment though...?
I think in Nissans advantage is that they only supply the engines, others (AER, Zytek and Oreca - I think) actually build and tune them. However, I agree with your point.

The ACO seem to want both LMP2 and LMP3 to be spec series. Which is bad. With limited Chassis and engine suppliers. The elephant in the room is IMSA and where the DP's go from here. Trying to shoe-horn factory backed teams into LMP2 to compete with the Europeans at Le Mans is silly.

They should be looking at the LMP1 rules to allow non-works, but factory backed Daytona Prototype teams to build new non-hybrid LMP1's.

OvalOwl

981 posts

154 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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DMN said:
They should be looking at the LMP1 rules to allow non-works, but factory backed Daytona Prototype teams to build new non-hybrid LMP1's.
I think that is what the ACO are doing. They know they haven't done enough for the LMP1 privateers and want to find a way of getting the DPs in.

Paul Ricard timing is available here http://fiawec.alkamelsystems.com/

Great Dane

2,851 posts

189 months

Wednesday 30th March 2016
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I understand what the ACO is trying to do with P2. The basic idea was that the cost capped cars should enable everyone to buy and compete on a level playing field with no factory teams and if they did compete they would be forced to use the same equipment like they sold to their customers.
However certain teams (SMP and Strakka) had their own cars where in reality there was no cost cap. They said they would sell cars but in reality they were not planning to do so... hence the approved chassis manufacturers

Engines have become quasi standard and they wanted to control costs and give them a bit more oommpf... they get 100bhp more in a specially built racing engine.

The original plan for engines 5 years back was that they should be production based and those rules were severely bent by the OEM's when they started out... Judd is BMW based , HPD obviously Honda and Zytek is Nissan. That engine was the most heavily modified bordering of being against the spirit of the rule book if not the letter.

Edited by Great Dane on Thursday 31st March 22:23

RobGT81

5,229 posts

209 months

Thursday 31st March 2016
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Looks a good grid, 4 more cars than last year and 3 extra competitive cars after Nissans waste of entries last year.

OvalOwl

981 posts

154 months

Thursday 31st March 2016
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RobGT81 said:
Looks a good grid, 4 more cars than last year...
Oh, I'd forgotten about the row of woe granny annex.

It will be interesting to see how quadruple amputee Fréderic Sausset gets on against the other bronze drivers in LMP2

FredericRobinson

4,709 posts

255 months

Thursday 31st March 2016
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