Commuter Car - Peugeot 1007 1.4 HDi?
Discussion
Ok so I need a commuter car PDQ.
Have a new job which involves a 42 miles (each way) commute along the A5, so all 40-50-60 mph limits each way. The hours mean that it would be a rare occurrence to be travelling at rush hour (maybe once a fortnight)
I *could* take the MX-5 but an average of 30mpg (35 if I drive like a pansy) means that I'd be spunking the best part of £80 per week in fuel, plus associated costs (and it's already got 80k on!).
Got my eye on a Pug 1007, 1.4 HDi, only has 70bhp but allegedly will average 60-65mpg without breaking a sweat. I'm not averse to something slow, I don't need it to set the world on fire if it saves me enough money to run the MX-5.
It also helps that I've been offered one at an unbelievable good price, which means that I'm more tempted by it. Obviously it has those silly electric doors but if the motors die you can open them manually, so it's not the end of the world.
Thoughts on the car/the engine - was also available in 206, C2 and C3 I believe...? Or other suggestions. One in the back of my mind is a Clio Dci (probably an 80bhp version).
Have a new job which involves a 42 miles (each way) commute along the A5, so all 40-50-60 mph limits each way. The hours mean that it would be a rare occurrence to be travelling at rush hour (maybe once a fortnight)
I *could* take the MX-5 but an average of 30mpg (35 if I drive like a pansy) means that I'd be spunking the best part of £80 per week in fuel, plus associated costs (and it's already got 80k on!).
Got my eye on a Pug 1007, 1.4 HDi, only has 70bhp but allegedly will average 60-65mpg without breaking a sweat. I'm not averse to something slow, I don't need it to set the world on fire if it saves me enough money to run the MX-5.
It also helps that I've been offered one at an unbelievable good price, which means that I'm more tempted by it. Obviously it has those silly electric doors but if the motors die you can open them manually, so it's not the end of the world.
Thoughts on the car/the engine - was also available in 206, C2 and C3 I believe...? Or other suggestions. One in the back of my mind is a Clio Dci (probably an 80bhp version).
Edited by rfn on Saturday 10th September 15:53
Bugeyeandy said:
42 mile commute 5 days a week is 210 miles. At 35mpg that's 6 gallons or approx £37 not £80
Far cheaper to spend that in fuel then it is to buy another car and all the running costs to go with it.
42 miles return i.e. 42 miles each way. So it is £80.Far cheaper to spend that in fuel then it is to buy another car and all the running costs to go with it.
It's more about the fact that I do not want to drive my MX-5 400 miles a week plus 300 miles every weekend. It's not really the car for that, what with lowered suspension, loud exhaust etc.
Bugeyeandy said:
Ah, ok that in my mind is 84 miles return.
Makes much more sense now, not sure i'd want to be trapped in a 1007 for that distance every day though - how cheap is cheap?
Yes sorry I wasn't very clear. She wants £2k for it, according to my car dealer mate, CAP has it at 2,550 for average condition.Makes much more sense now, not sure i'd want to be trapped in a 1007 for that distance every day though - how cheap is cheap?
The seats are comfy which is what made me think more deeply about it really, as I suffer from bad back!
I remember reading at the time they came out that they suffered terribly on fast roads in windy conditions due to the tall sides and that they're quite noisy but if you have back problems the sliding doors should be a bonus for getting in and out.
I'd have thought i'd be a cheap to run fairly comfy and safe machine but definitely not my thing. For £2k you could get a decent Golf or Bora TDi and not look like Noddy every time you step out of it!
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3140512.htm Maybe like this?
I'd have thought i'd be a cheap to run fairly comfy and safe machine but definitely not my thing. For £2k you could get a decent Golf or Bora TDi and not look like Noddy every time you step out of it!
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3140512.htm Maybe like this?
Edited by Bugeyeandy on Friday 9th September 21:28
rfn said:
Yes sorry I wasn't very clear. She wants £2k for it, according to my car dealer mate, CAP has it at 2,550 for average condition.
The seats are comfy which is what made me think more deeply about it really, as I suffer from bad back!
Sounds a reasonable price. The 1.4hdi lump is found in Pug, Citroen and Fords and is quite a slow, coarse but generally reliable motor.The seats are comfy which is what made me think more deeply about it really, as I suffer from bad back!
At that price you won't struggle to move it on if you don't like it.
Genuinely puzzled by your logic here!
You're doing 42miles a day, five days a week for say 48weeks a year. That's a gnat's cock above 10k a year just commuting.
You're hoping to get 65mpg (doubtful) out of the 1007, but admit you can get 35mpg already if you 'drive like a pansy'.
The difference between 65mpg and 35mpg is 132 gallons of fuel a year. At a 4.5 (approx) conversion to litres and an assumed price of £1.40/litre (which will certainly be bettered in reality), you are looking at a MAXIMUM of £837 a year less in fuel costs driving the 1007.
How is that going to make it worthwhile going out and buying, taxing and insuring a second car?? I would imagine the tax and insurance will eat up most of the saving immediately. A quick look at auotrader shows the cheapest 1007 HDi is around £3000 -but it has over 80k on the clock. Let's be honest, the running costs of an 80k peugeot are not going to be significently lower than your mazda.
If it were my £3k, I would just spend it on the fuel and running costs - you drive the MX5 because you enjoy it I assume, so why spend an hour and a half every day in some eurobox you'll hate? Life's too short.
EDIT - just read the more recent posts so I see its an 84mile commute and you don't want to drive the MX5 all that much. Still can't see how it stacks up to be honest but that does make it look more reasonable!
You're doing 42miles a day, five days a week for say 48weeks a year. That's a gnat's cock above 10k a year just commuting.
You're hoping to get 65mpg (doubtful) out of the 1007, but admit you can get 35mpg already if you 'drive like a pansy'.
The difference between 65mpg and 35mpg is 132 gallons of fuel a year. At a 4.5 (approx) conversion to litres and an assumed price of £1.40/litre (which will certainly be bettered in reality), you are looking at a MAXIMUM of £837 a year less in fuel costs driving the 1007.
How is that going to make it worthwhile going out and buying, taxing and insuring a second car?? I would imagine the tax and insurance will eat up most of the saving immediately. A quick look at auotrader shows the cheapest 1007 HDi is around £3000 -but it has over 80k on the clock. Let's be honest, the running costs of an 80k peugeot are not going to be significently lower than your mazda.
If it were my £3k, I would just spend it on the fuel and running costs - you drive the MX5 because you enjoy it I assume, so why spend an hour and a half every day in some eurobox you'll hate? Life's too short.
EDIT - just read the more recent posts so I see its an 84mile commute and you don't want to drive the MX5 all that much. Still can't see how it stacks up to be honest but that does make it look more reasonable!
Edited by offshorematt2 on Friday 9th September 21:42
Thanks for your thoughts Matt - I'll try to explain...
My 5 year old MX-5 has 80k on already, I don't really want to add 20k a year to that in commuting, given that I do 20k a year in social mileage as well (I currently walk to work). The reason I've even considered this Pug is because it's £2k and has 39k on - much cheaper than the cheapest on AutoTrader as the "vendor" only wants trade-in price for it from me as we're good friends.
The difference between spending £80 a week in petrol in the MX-5 and £40 a week in another car is a vast amount - almost £2000 in fact. I would MUCH rather spend the £2000 saved by driving an economical commuter on further modifications to the MX-5, than spunking it on petrol. (wouldn't we all) - actually it would pay for the car in the first year! Oh, and I rather enjoy driving the MX-5, I don't want to sully the experience by driving it every day for 80 miles (and coupled with the fact it's in great nick at the moment - multi storey car parks aren't good to cars...!)
The 1007 is £30 p.a. to tax, so a negligible amount, and insurance is exceptionally reasonable. Insuring the MX-5 for 40k per year and adding 'commuting' to the bill equates to about 60% of the insurance price of the 1007.
I'll admit that all the above sounds like I'm ignoring your opinion but I'm not - thanks for it, just wanted to explain a bit!
My 5 year old MX-5 has 80k on already, I don't really want to add 20k a year to that in commuting, given that I do 20k a year in social mileage as well (I currently walk to work). The reason I've even considered this Pug is because it's £2k and has 39k on - much cheaper than the cheapest on AutoTrader as the "vendor" only wants trade-in price for it from me as we're good friends.
The difference between spending £80 a week in petrol in the MX-5 and £40 a week in another car is a vast amount - almost £2000 in fact. I would MUCH rather spend the £2000 saved by driving an economical commuter on further modifications to the MX-5, than spunking it on petrol. (wouldn't we all) - actually it would pay for the car in the first year! Oh, and I rather enjoy driving the MX-5, I don't want to sully the experience by driving it every day for 80 miles (and coupled with the fact it's in great nick at the moment - multi storey car parks aren't good to cars...!)
The 1007 is £30 p.a. to tax, so a negligible amount, and insurance is exceptionally reasonable. Insuring the MX-5 for 40k per year and adding 'commuting' to the bill equates to about 60% of the insurance price of the 1007.
I'll admit that all the above sounds like I'm ignoring your opinion but I'm not - thanks for it, just wanted to explain a bit!
rfn said:
Thanks for your thoughts Matt - I'll try to explain...
My 5 year old MX-5 has 80k on already, I don't really want to add 20k a year to that in commuting, given that I do 20k a year in social mileage as well (I currently walk to work). The reason I've even considered this Pug is because it's £2k and has 39k on - much cheaper than the cheapest on AutoTrader as the "vendor" only wants trade-in price for it from me as we're good friends.
The difference between spending £80 a week in petrol in the MX-5 and £40 a week in another car is a vast amount - almost £2000 in fact. I would MUCH rather spend the £2000 saved by driving an economical commuter on further modifications to the MX-5, than spunking it on petrol. (wouldn't we all) - actually it would pay for the car in the first year! Oh, and I rather enjoy driving the MX-5, I don't want to sully the experience by driving it every day for 80 miles (and coupled with the fact it's in great nick at the moment - multi storey car parks aren't good to cars...!)
The 1007 is £30 p.a. to tax, so a negligible amount, and insurance is exceptionally reasonable. Insuring the MX-5 for 40k per year and adding 'commuting' to the bill equates to about 60% of the insurance price of the 1007.
I'll admit that all the above sounds like I'm ignoring your opinion but I'm not - thanks for it, just wanted to explain a bit!
That sounds like a bargain, £2k with that low miles on it. I now see why you're so keen on the idea, also having looked at a few on eBay the interior doesn't seem too bad a place to sit driving back and forth to work.My 5 year old MX-5 has 80k on already, I don't really want to add 20k a year to that in commuting, given that I do 20k a year in social mileage as well (I currently walk to work). The reason I've even considered this Pug is because it's £2k and has 39k on - much cheaper than the cheapest on AutoTrader as the "vendor" only wants trade-in price for it from me as we're good friends.
The difference between spending £80 a week in petrol in the MX-5 and £40 a week in another car is a vast amount - almost £2000 in fact. I would MUCH rather spend the £2000 saved by driving an economical commuter on further modifications to the MX-5, than spunking it on petrol. (wouldn't we all) - actually it would pay for the car in the first year! Oh, and I rather enjoy driving the MX-5, I don't want to sully the experience by driving it every day for 80 miles (and coupled with the fact it's in great nick at the moment - multi storey car parks aren't good to cars...!)
The 1007 is £30 p.a. to tax, so a negligible amount, and insurance is exceptionally reasonable. Insuring the MX-5 for 40k per year and adding 'commuting' to the bill equates to about 60% of the insurance price of the 1007.
I'll admit that all the above sounds like I'm ignoring your opinion but I'm not - thanks for it, just wanted to explain a bit!
Go for it!
I am a medical courier and I cover 240 mile every day mainly motorway mileage. The journey is Leeds- Stockton-Newcastle-Leeds in Pug 1007 1.4 HDi. Staying with the trucks at 50mph, I have achieved 72.8 mpg! At 60mph, I get around 64 mpg, and at 70 mph plus overtaking, I get about 56 mph. The car is extremely relivable, and I love it. My other car is a Tesla Model S, but I use the Pug for long journeys due to charging times and depreciation.
I'm considering a Celtic Tuning remap to will make the engine more responsive. The car will still be very economical providing I remain at 50 mph with the truck on long journeys. This is achieved due to the increased torque lower down the rev range.
I'm considering a Celtic Tuning remap to will make the engine more responsive. The car will still be very economical providing I remain at 50 mph with the truck on long journeys. This is achieved due to the increased torque lower down the rev range.
Scrump said:
Thanks for the info but after 8 years I doubt the OP is still wondering whether or not to buy a 1007.
Welcome to PH.
Hah, no. And surprisingly I didn't get the 1007 either. I spent significantly more money and bought a Mini Cooper Clubman Diesel. Which was relatively economical and I didn't lose too much money on. I sold that and the MX-5 in mid 2012 to replace it with a newer MX-5 (and a different job without the commute!)Welcome to PH.
Anyway, that's (obviously) long gone... And I've had many cars in the meantime.
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