PRIVATE PLATES ON A USED CAR
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Hi
Can someone please give me some advice....as i am really confused?
I have recently purchased a used car with private plates on.
The seller informed me that the plates came with the car.....same reg on the V5.
So i assumed...as i had bought the car with the private plates on....that i was told come with the car...that these plates now belong to me ?
After looking through the paperwork a little later i realised that the current mot(only renewed a couple of weeks prior to me buying the car )...had a different reg on.
As this concerned me i contacted the DVLA...who told me that i needed to fill out a V62 form and send it to them with the green slip from the V5 along with a cheque for £25 to get this changed....as the private plates should not be on the car.
As you can imagine i was not at all happy !!
As far as i was aware i had bought this car with the private plates that now belong to me.....i paid more for the car than i would have done ...because of the private plates !!
Contacted the seller and after many conversations he said that the private plates were not worth anything...and he did not know that the previous dealer had taken the private plates off of the car.
Surely as a dealer he would or should have known that ?
I cannot drive,insure,tax use the vehicle for up to 6 weeks...waiting for the new V5 to return with the correct reg and in my name...also had to fork out for new plates,lose money because i had to cancel the insurance.
Is what he has done legal ?
Any help would be very much appreciated thankyou in advance !!
TJ
Can someone please give me some advice....as i am really confused?
I have recently purchased a used car with private plates on.
The seller informed me that the plates came with the car.....same reg on the V5.
So i assumed...as i had bought the car with the private plates on....that i was told come with the car...that these plates now belong to me ?
After looking through the paperwork a little later i realised that the current mot(only renewed a couple of weeks prior to me buying the car )...had a different reg on.
As this concerned me i contacted the DVLA...who told me that i needed to fill out a V62 form and send it to them with the green slip from the V5 along with a cheque for £25 to get this changed....as the private plates should not be on the car.
As you can imagine i was not at all happy !!
As far as i was aware i had bought this car with the private plates that now belong to me.....i paid more for the car than i would have done ...because of the private plates !!
Contacted the seller and after many conversations he said that the private plates were not worth anything...and he did not know that the previous dealer had taken the private plates off of the car.
Surely as a dealer he would or should have known that ?
I cannot drive,insure,tax use the vehicle for up to 6 weeks...waiting for the new V5 to return with the correct reg and in my name...also had to fork out for new plates,lose money because i had to cancel the insurance.
Is what he has done legal ?
Any help would be very much appreciated thankyou in advance !!
TJ
Did you not tax the car when you bought it, in which case what was reg on the V5 you used to tax it, and what was the reg number on the receipt when you paid for the car?
If they removed the reg after you taxed it, insured it, and sent off your section of the V5, then they've stolen the rights to use the private reg plate. It's theft.
If they removed the reg after you taxed it, insured it, and sent off your section of the V5, then they've stolen the rights to use the private reg plate. It's theft.
TJS64 said:
I cannot drive,insure,tax use the vehicle for up to 6 weeks...waiting for the new V5 to return with the correct reg and in my name...
You say that the V5C had that reg on - so you have a V5C/2 in your name? Tax it from that. Or did that doc ref number not work? Did you check that was the most recently issued V5C, using https://vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk ?You could have taxed it with the V62 before you sent it off.
TJS64 said:
also had to fork out for new plates,lose money because i had to cancel the insurance.
A tenner for a pair of plates, and £25 or so for the change fee for the insurance.TJS64 said:
Is what he has done legal ?
If you were told that the plates came with it, and bought it on that basis, then you have a statutory 30 days from the date of purchase to return the car for a full refund (less an allowance for any use you've had) since it's not as described. You need to put the car out of your use asap if you're going down that route. Other costs arising are not covered.Give us a rough clue as to what the plate was - Nor'n Iron? Dateless? Current style? Related to the car model? How much extra do you think you paid?
Thankyou so much for all of your advice !
The reg on the car matched the reg on the V5,but the current mot had a different reg on it.
I did not tax the car...as i am in reciept of disabiltity tax....meaning i am unable to do it online( which is what i would normally do ).
So i need the relevant documents to be able to tax it at a post office.
I could not tax it with the current V5....as its showing the private plate number plate....which should not be on the car.
I asked the DVLA if in view of the circumstances i could SORN the car as off the road until i get the new V5 back....but i was told i could not as the car was not registered in my name.
So despite my best efforts to sort this out...i just kept going round in circles.
So by the seller telling me/advertising the fact that the private plates came with the car...when in actual fact they dont.....has he done anything illegal by doing this ?
Thankyou in advance !
TJ
The reg on the car matched the reg on the V5,but the current mot had a different reg on it.
I did not tax the car...as i am in reciept of disabiltity tax....meaning i am unable to do it online( which is what i would normally do ).
So i need the relevant documents to be able to tax it at a post office.
I could not tax it with the current V5....as its showing the private plate number plate....which should not be on the car.
I asked the DVLA if in view of the circumstances i could SORN the car as off the road until i get the new V5 back....but i was told i could not as the car was not registered in my name.
So despite my best efforts to sort this out...i just kept going round in circles.
So by the seller telling me/advertising the fact that the private plates came with the car...when in actual fact they dont.....has he done anything illegal by doing this ?
Thankyou in advance !
TJ
TJS64 said:
Hi
Forgot to add that it appears that the private plates were taken off for the mot,as it would not be found electronically with the private plates on.
Then the private plates put back on so that they tallied with the V5 to sell the car.
TJ
Ok, but when you bought the car, the seller gave you a receipt, proof of purchase relating to the car to transfer ownership (V5 doesn't do that) so what was the registration number on the receipt?Forgot to add that it appears that the private plates were taken off for the mot,as it would not be found electronically with the private plates on.
Then the private plates put back on so that they tallied with the V5 to sell the car.
TJ
Hi
Stupidly i did not get a reciept.....i can only think its because he messed me around alot....when ever i have bought a car before i have always made sure i had got a reciept.
Although he was a trader the deal was done at his home on a Sunday.
Travelled almost 2hrs to get there...he would not answer his phone to me when i got there,finally he called and told me how to find him.
Found where he lived called him and he said he had just taken the car to the carwash.....waited/wasted about an hour in all...so i can only think thats why i forgot about the reciept.
Thankyou
TJ
Stupidly i did not get a reciept.....i can only think its because he messed me around alot....when ever i have bought a car before i have always made sure i had got a reciept.
Although he was a trader the deal was done at his home on a Sunday.
Travelled almost 2hrs to get there...he would not answer his phone to me when i got there,finally he called and told me how to find him.
Found where he lived called him and he said he had just taken the car to the carwash.....waited/wasted about an hour in all...so i can only think thats why i forgot about the reciept.
Thankyou
TJ
When you sell a car, be it private or you move it into the trade there is a box that you tick that clearly states that the current owner will lose all rights to the number plate.
I also thought the £25 was if you didn't have a log book or new keeper supplement. If you have the new keeper supplement you could try and register it yourself online, you might have to think twice about owners permission though.
I also thought the £25 was if you didn't have a log book or new keeper supplement. If you have the new keeper supplement you could try and register it yourself online, you might have to think twice about owners permission though.
Hi Steve
Thankyou for you reply....so if i have understood correctly....when HE/I signed the V5 he is giving up ownership of the plates on the car to me ?
The £25 was to have the registration changed on the V5 to the original number plate...as the private plate should not have been sold with the car.
Nor should he have told me that the private plates come with the car...as i was advised by the DVLA.
The DVLA informed me that he would have been fully aware of this fact...but i dont seem to be able to get a clear answer if by him doing this he has illegally sold me this car.
TJ
Thankyou for you reply....so if i have understood correctly....when HE/I signed the V5 he is giving up ownership of the plates on the car to me ?
The £25 was to have the registration changed on the V5 to the original number plate...as the private plate should not have been sold with the car.
Nor should he have told me that the private plates come with the car...as i was advised by the DVLA.
The DVLA informed me that he would have been fully aware of this fact...but i dont seem to be able to get a clear answer if by him doing this he has illegally sold me this car.
TJ
The plate goes with the car, so if I sell you my car and put your name on the v5 then the plate becomes yours, unless we agree beforehand that you don't get ownership of the plate and that when the v5 comes through in your name you put the plate on retention and nominate it to me.
However if the original owner put the plate on retention but left the private plates on then the v5 will have the age related plate and that's what you own.
Have you got any v5 for the car with your name on it ?
If you haven't do you know if one has been generated ?
Has the car been taxed ?
However if the original owner put the plate on retention but left the private plates on then the v5 will have the age related plate and that's what you own.
Have you got any v5 for the car with your name on it ?
If you haven't do you know if one has been generated ?
Has the car been taxed ?
Hi Steve
No i do not have a V5 in my name...but i have sent everything to the DVLA to get the V5 in my name....so also no i cannot tax the car eiher.
So i dont know yet if i will be fined for the back tax also...as i am unable to SORN the car either.
In summing up i am less than pleased,with all of this i have had to try and sort out,the extra money i have had to fork out and obviously the private plate that i thought i owned i do not.
All i get from the seller is....its not my problem,i did not know that the plates should not be on the car...well to my way of thinking he has scammed me !
TJ
No i do not have a V5 in my name...but i have sent everything to the DVLA to get the V5 in my name....so also no i cannot tax the car eiher.
So i dont know yet if i will be fined for the back tax also...as i am unable to SORN the car either.
In summing up i am less than pleased,with all of this i have had to try and sort out,the extra money i have had to fork out and obviously the private plate that i thought i owned i do not.
All i get from the seller is....its not my problem,i did not know that the plates should not be on the car...well to my way of thinking he has scammed me !
TJ
The way I understand it is,if you've both signed the V5 with the private plate number at the top then the plates are yours .as above unless previously stated in the deal.
Something is definetly not right there , the fact you've sent the v5 to the dvla though,means your probably not gonna get them back.
Something is definetly not right there , the fact you've sent the v5 to the dvla though,means your probably not gonna get them back.
You would also need to send a separate form off along with a cheque for the road tax, this is in addition to the £25.
It is the sellers responsibility to ensure the details are updated.
If it's a private seller then the owner fills these out, if it's being sold to the trade then the owner fills out the yellow section. Once the car is sold to either the trade or another buyer then the owner loses all right to the registration plate unless you agree something in writing beforehand.
We did sell a car where we couldn't remove the plate because the owner hadn't taxed it in 6 months, we moved it to the trade and then allocated it a new owner however we got the new owner to sign something stating they had no claim to the plate, when it arrived we transferred the plate off, sent them the new plates and everything was done.
To me it sounds like you have been left in the cold.
It is the sellers responsibility to ensure the details are updated.
If it's a private seller then the owner fills these out, if it's being sold to the trade then the owner fills out the yellow section. Once the car is sold to either the trade or another buyer then the owner loses all right to the registration plate unless you agree something in writing beforehand.
We did sell a car where we couldn't remove the plate because the owner hadn't taxed it in 6 months, we moved it to the trade and then allocated it a new owner however we got the new owner to sign something stating they had no claim to the plate, when it arrived we transferred the plate off, sent them the new plates and everything was done.
To me it sounds like you have been left in the cold.
Have you a copy of the advert? If so and it stated the vehicle came with the plate, you could start a claim for this, if the seller isn't willing to come to some compromise. If the seller was a trader then all the better.
As far as plates, the state actually own them and you have the rights to display them, as far as you getting what seem like an old V5 (happens a lot now as most transfers are done online and the, what would be now an obsolete V5, never gets destroyed. Clearly if plates on the vehicle have been changed purely for the MOT, then somebody was trying to deceive things, there would be no need to put the private plates back on the car after.
The chances of DVLA changing things back to you having the private plate in your name are zero. The system does have its flaws with time restraints and you having a vehicle you can't use, tax or sorn, but the issue isn't with the DVLA, but the seller and they need to compensate for the issues caused, actually getting anything from them is a different matter. Good luck
As far as plates, the state actually own them and you have the rights to display them, as far as you getting what seem like an old V5 (happens a lot now as most transfers are done online and the, what would be now an obsolete V5, never gets destroyed. Clearly if plates on the vehicle have been changed purely for the MOT, then somebody was trying to deceive things, there would be no need to put the private plates back on the car after.
The chances of DVLA changing things back to you having the private plate in your name are zero. The system does have its flaws with time restraints and you having a vehicle you can't use, tax or sorn, but the issue isn't with the DVLA, but the seller and they need to compensate for the issues caused, actually getting anything from them is a different matter. Good luck
Post a copy of the advert
Does the car have the PHYSICAL private plates on the car?
You got no receipt
You havent taxed it yet
What was the private plate?
Id say if you signed a v5 that HAD the private plate on it then you have the private plate. BUT what may happen is the dvla dont accept changing the v5 to your name as it wont be the most recent one. I bet the dealer fakes your signature on the most recent v5.
Anyway, he is a trader, dispute the sale and return the car for a full refund.
Does the car have the PHYSICAL private plates on the car?
You got no receipt
You havent taxed it yet
What was the private plate?
Id say if you signed a v5 that HAD the private plate on it then you have the private plate. BUT what may happen is the dvla dont accept changing the v5 to your name as it wont be the most recent one. I bet the dealer fakes your signature on the most recent v5.
Anyway, he is a trader, dispute the sale and return the car for a full refund.
Hi
Thankyou to everyone for your replies....it seems as i thought that the seller did not have the right to sell me the car with the private plates...telling me they came with the car.
I checked but the ad has been taken off....it was still on there the day after i bought the car though...just wondering if i contact where it was advertised if they would allow me a copy of the ad.
All in all the seller is making me feel like i am making a fuss about nothing....offered me £50 back by way of compensation....to be honest that barely touches the surface of what i have had to pay out since getting the car....i felt insulted.
Do you think it is reasonable to ask for my out of pocket expenses from the seller....also i would'nt want to be breaking the law by doing so ?
Thankfully i recieved the V5 back in my name yesterday with the original number plate on...so was able to tax it as well....all legal thank god !!
However i still feel that what the seller did was dishonest and decietful.....and if its possible to get him to cough up what i am out of pocket then i would like to do so....within the limits of the law obviously though !!
TJ
Thankyou to everyone for your replies....it seems as i thought that the seller did not have the right to sell me the car with the private plates...telling me they came with the car.
I checked but the ad has been taken off....it was still on there the day after i bought the car though...just wondering if i contact where it was advertised if they would allow me a copy of the ad.
All in all the seller is making me feel like i am making a fuss about nothing....offered me £50 back by way of compensation....to be honest that barely touches the surface of what i have had to pay out since getting the car....i felt insulted.
Do you think it is reasonable to ask for my out of pocket expenses from the seller....also i would'nt want to be breaking the law by doing so ?
Thankfully i recieved the V5 back in my name yesterday with the original number plate on...so was able to tax it as well....all legal thank god !!
However i still feel that what the seller did was dishonest and decietful.....and if its possible to get him to cough up what i am out of pocket then i would like to do so....within the limits of the law obviously though !!
TJ
Did you buy the car from a dealer ? As in actual premises ? What do you feel yo are out of pocket by ?
I had to buy a set of plates today because a car we had for sale was purchased and they wanted to take it today, it had the private plate on it but luckily we had both v5's. I had to pay £32 for plates from halfrauds, and make 2 trips and keep the customer waiting for 2 hours grrrrrrrrr
I had to buy a set of plates today because a car we had for sale was purchased and they wanted to take it today, it had the private plate on it but luckily we had both v5's. I had to pay £32 for plates from halfrauds, and make 2 trips and keep the customer waiting for 2 hours grrrrrrrrr
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