Peugeot/Citroen 1.4/1.6 diesel engines
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Just a quick one, I'm looking for a new van for the brother in law, he wants something small, cheap and reliable but something that looks reasonably modern. I'm looking at Bipper/Nemos and Peugeot Partners at the moment BUT I'm sure I recall reading about a particular engine that shat itself fairly regularly, does anyone know which I'm thinking of?
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TBH everyone wants small, cheap and reliable but they're not really compatible - esp if 'cheap' means a 10+ year-old van ;0
The 1.6HDi someone mentioned will be the engine which appears in Pugs, Citroens, Fords, Mazdas, Volvos, Suzukis and MINIs and it has some issues with chain stretch/dephasers as well as ECUs/looms which love water
Many of the other vans you list have Fiat or other PSA variant engines and none are exactly known for being bulletproof (that stopped when they stopped putting XUDs into them in the early 00s!!)
So I guess it depends on your definition of 'cheap' - cheap and new is one thing - cheap-at-£1500 is another entirely ;0
The 1.6HDi someone mentioned will be the engine which appears in Pugs, Citroens, Fords, Mazdas, Volvos, Suzukis and MINIs and it has some issues with chain stretch/dephasers as well as ECUs/looms which love water
Many of the other vans you list have Fiat or other PSA variant engines and none are exactly known for being bulletproof (that stopped when they stopped putting XUDs into them in the early 00s!!)
So I guess it depends on your definition of 'cheap' - cheap and new is one thing - cheap-at-£1500 is another entirely ;0
Edited by 405dogvan on Wednesday 22 February 21:22
405dogvan said:
The 1.6HDi someone mentioned will be the engine which appears in Pugs, Citroens, Fords, Mazdas, Volvos, Suzukis and MINIs and it has some issues with chain stretch/dephasers as well as ECUs/looms which love water
I thought these were belt driven.....dephaser on a derv?Bunfighter said:
Why?
Well documented, but the upshot is that the clamps holding the injectors down work loose (especially injector 3). Combustion gasses leak out the seal, making their way into the valve gear where they mix with the oil and create clumps of carbon that ultimately block the turbo feed thus killing the turbo.When the get to this stage, people tend to change the turbo without addressing the cause and a few days later another turbo is goosed.
Funny how a lot of cars with this engine tend to end up with dodgy facebook trader 'wannabes' advertised with a new turbo!.....run!
Edited by littlebasher on Wednesday 22 February 21:56
405dogvan said:
TBH everyone wants small, cheap and reliable but they're not really compatible - esp if 'cheap' means a 10+ year-old van ;0
The 1.6HDi someone mentioned will be the engine which appears in Pugs, Citroens, Fords, Mazdas, Volvos, Suzukis and MINIs and it has some issues with chain stretch/dephasers as well as ECUs/looms which love water
Many of the other vans you list have Fiat or other PSA variant engines and none are exactly known for being bulletproof (that stopped when they stopped putting XUDs into them in the early 00s!!)
So I guess it depends on your definition of 'cheap' - cheap and new is one thing - cheap-at-£1500 is another entirely ;0
He's talking £2500-£3000.The 1.6HDi someone mentioned will be the engine which appears in Pugs, Citroens, Fords, Mazdas, Volvos, Suzukis and MINIs and it has some issues with chain stretch/dephasers as well as ECUs/looms which love water
Many of the other vans you list have Fiat or other PSA variant engines and none are exactly known for being bulletproof (that stopped when they stopped putting XUDs into them in the early 00s!!)
So I guess it depends on your definition of 'cheap' - cheap and new is one thing - cheap-at-£1500 is another entirely ;0
Edited by 405dogvan on Wednesday 22 February 21:22
Cheers for the replies everyone!
littlebasher said:
Well documented, but the upshot is that the clamps holding the injectors down work loose (especially injector 3). Combustion gasses leak out the seal, making their way into the valve gear where they mix with the oil and create clumps of carbon that ultimately block the turbo feed thus killing the turbo.
When the get to this stage, people tend to change the turbo without addressing the cause and a few days later another turbo is goosed.
Funny how a lot of cars with this engine tend to end up with dodgy facebook trader 'wannabes' advertised with a new turbo!.....run!
Fitted to mullions of cars across many many models and marques. Post 2010 DVC6 engine had redesigned injector/layout etc. When the get to this stage, people tend to change the turbo without addressing the cause and a few days later another turbo is goosed.
Funny how a lot of cars with this engine tend to end up with dodgy facebook trader 'wannabes' advertised with a new turbo!.....run!
Edited by littlebasher on Wednesday 22 February 21:56
If it's serviced it's good for 200,000miles. PSA fell down originally by specifying 20,000mile service or 2yrs intervals. They revised that to what it should be post 2010.
It doesn't lie about its Nox figures either.
Edit- mine is a 111bhp 1.6hdi. It's tunable to 147bhp. It's a very linear engine, you treat it almost like a petrol engine to get the best out of it.
Edited by Bunfighter on Wednesday 22 February 22:05
The 1.4 HDI is a horrible engine. Hired a Bipper for a few days when my Caddy was having work done, seemed to have a massive flat spot at low revs, if you try rolling onto a roundabout in second, it just leaves you barely moving, was having to use first gear a lot.
I have a Peugeot Partner for work with the 1.6 HDI, which is much better, but bit of a slug. I wouldn't own one with my own money.
An older VW Caddy SDI is where my money would go, if reliability is the key concern. Not quick, but being an NA, its very responsive at low revs and a much nicer place to be than anything French.
I have a Peugeot Partner for work with the 1.6 HDI, which is much better, but bit of a slug. I wouldn't own one with my own money.
An older VW Caddy SDI is where my money would go, if reliability is the key concern. Not quick, but being an NA, its very responsive at low revs and a much nicer place to be than anything French.
powerstroke said:
CaptainMorgan said:
Gone away from the French now, off to look at a 1.3 cdti Corsa combo in the morning.
good luck with that one too they can be a bit naughty too most have suffered from holding about 3 litrs of oil and 20 k service intervals , EGR and cam chain issues etcgazza285 said:
powerstroke said:
CaptainMorgan said:
Gone away from the French now, off to look at a 1.3 cdti Corsa combo in the morning.
good luck with that one too they can be a bit naughty too most have suffered from holding about 3 litrs of oil and 20 k service intervals , EGR and cam chain issues etcGassing Station | Car Buying | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff