Advan Sport V105 vs Nankang Ns-2R...for a daily
Discussion
Hey,
I'm having huge troubles deciding between those two tyres for my daily driver. It's a Bugeye WRX and I'm driving it every day, mainly to work and back as well as some joyrides in the afternoons. I don't track the car. I got some winter tyres in addition, so we're only talking about the summer months.
After reading back and forth for the last two weeks I have narrowed down the selection to either the Yokohama V105 or the Nankang NS-2R, both in 225/45/17 dimension. Since it's my daily driver, wet grip matters. But don't get me wrong, I take it easy in the wet.
Is it worth going for the NS-2R, or will I not be able to get enough heat into my tyres for them to be superior? Will longevity be that much worse on the Nankangs? Which tye would you personally chose for a DD?
I'm having huge troubles deciding between those two tyres for my daily driver. It's a Bugeye WRX and I'm driving it every day, mainly to work and back as well as some joyrides in the afternoons. I don't track the car. I got some winter tyres in addition, so we're only talking about the summer months.
After reading back and forth for the last two weeks I have narrowed down the selection to either the Yokohama V105 or the Nankang NS-2R, both in 225/45/17 dimension. Since it's my daily driver, wet grip matters. But don't get me wrong, I take it easy in the wet.
Is it worth going for the NS-2R, or will I not be able to get enough heat into my tyres for them to be superior? Will longevity be that much worse on the Nankangs? Which tye would you personally chose for a DD?
If you don't track the car, you don't need the Nankangs. They will be loud and won't help comfort. I had to be careful in very wet conditions.
I currently have the Yokos on my Mini. They were pretty cheap and got good reviews. Having tried them on track, I don't think that the ultimate grip levels are that great but fine for the road I guess.
As they aren't that expensive in your size, I would be choosing between the Michelin PS4 or the Conti Premium Contact 6.
I currently have the Yokos on my Mini. They were pretty cheap and got good reviews. Having tried them on track, I don't think that the ultimate grip levels are that great but fine for the road I guess.
As they aren't that expensive in your size, I would be choosing between the Michelin PS4 or the Conti Premium Contact 6.
Thanks for your replies.
To put it into perspective:
V105 = 70€ = 280€/set
NS-2R = 79€ = 316€/set
PS4 = 85€ =340€/set
Yeah I know that I don't "need" NS-2Rs, but since my main focus leans more towards dry grip, I thought they might be an option. Any real life comparison between v105 and PS4?
Personally I don't like Conti tyres, since there seem to be great differences in quality between the different manufacturing locations.
To put it into perspective:
V105 = 70€ = 280€/set
NS-2R = 79€ = 316€/set
PS4 = 85€ =340€/set
Yeah I know that I don't "need" NS-2Rs, but since my main focus leans more towards dry grip, I thought they might be an option. Any real life comparison between v105 and PS4?
Personally I don't like Conti tyres, since there seem to be great differences in quality between the different manufacturing locations.
A summary of the latest EVO tyre test is here:
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2017-EVO-Summ...
Another option to consider is the yoko ad08, although not sure if they are any quieter than the nankang.
http://www.tyrereviews.co.uk/Article/2017-EVO-Summ...
Another option to consider is the yoko ad08, although not sure if they are any quieter than the nankang.
I know the reviews, but I do not totally trust them, that's why I asked this community. :P
Yeah the AD08R was my favourite, but it's too expensive for my liking over here. NS-2R should be pretty close for 20€ less.
After Reading the 2016 EVO and the tirerack reviews, I thought the V105 would be right behind the PS4 for 15€ less, but no one seems to have back to back experience.
Yeah the AD08R was my favourite, but it's too expensive for my liking over here. NS-2R should be pretty close for 20€ less.
After Reading the 2016 EVO and the tirerack reviews, I thought the V105 would be right behind the PS4 for 15€ less, but no one seems to have back to back experience.
redVellocet said:
After Reading the 2016 EVO and the tirerack reviews, I thought the V105 would be right behind the PS4 for 15€ less, but no one seems to have back to back experience.
I bought them for the same reason, and have no issue with them on the road. Although tbh, I don't drive that fast on the road anymore. Was disappointed with them on track. For the sake of 60 euros, and given the reviews, I'd be looking at the PS4s.In my head, any track-spec tyre will have more grip than a road-spec tyre because there is more rubber on the road, but will you be able to use that extra grip?
Are you driving so fast on the road that you would be breaching the limits of road tyres that are basically the best around?
I'm no saint, believe me, but anyone running track-rubber on the road must surely be absolutely caning it along if they require track rubber to get enough grip.
Are you driving so fast on the road that you would be breaching the limits of road tyres that are basically the best around?
I'm no saint, believe me, but anyone running track-rubber on the road must surely be absolutely caning it along if they require track rubber to get enough grip.
I definitely agree with everything you said, maybe I should get a little more precise.
It's not the outright most physical grip I am looking for, it's the feel of such tyre. At the moment I run a rather aggressive street alignment with -2.5° camber up front and -1.5° in the back with zero toe. My tyres are 215/45/17 Vredestein Ultrac Centos. They feel pretty nervous above 120mph on the autobahn, even with lowered tyre pressure. On the backroads with lower speeds around 50-70mph they don't feel that responsive, direct and connected to the road. I wish to have more feel of what my tyres are doing. And i wish to have a more planted feel under high speed situations. That's what brought me to tyres with a relatively stiff carcass and softer rubber, such as the v105 or those semi-UHP hybrids. I don't want a comfort tyre, I want something stiff and precise with loads of dry grip. I know that the PS4 is a superb tyre, but it's pretty expensive and from what I've heard seems to have rather soft sidewalls. Thats why I'm still unsure.
It's not the outright most physical grip I am looking for, it's the feel of such tyre. At the moment I run a rather aggressive street alignment with -2.5° camber up front and -1.5° in the back with zero toe. My tyres are 215/45/17 Vredestein Ultrac Centos. They feel pretty nervous above 120mph on the autobahn, even with lowered tyre pressure. On the backroads with lower speeds around 50-70mph they don't feel that responsive, direct and connected to the road. I wish to have more feel of what my tyres are doing. And i wish to have a more planted feel under high speed situations. That's what brought me to tyres with a relatively stiff carcass and softer rubber, such as the v105 or those semi-UHP hybrids. I don't want a comfort tyre, I want something stiff and precise with loads of dry grip. I know that the PS4 is a superb tyre, but it's pretty expensive and from what I've heard seems to have rather soft sidewalls. Thats why I'm still unsure.
redVellocet said:
I definitely agree with everything you said, maybe I should get a little more precise.
It's not the outright most physical grip I am looking for, it's the feel of such tyre. At the moment I run a rather aggressive street alignment with -2.5° camber up front and -1.5° in the back with zero toe. My tyres are 215/45/17 Vredestein Ultrac Centos. They feel pretty nervous above 120mph on the autobahn, even with lowered tyre pressure. On the backroads with lower speeds around 50-70mph they don't feel that responsive, direct and connected to the road. I wish to have more feel of what my tyres are doing. And i wish to have a more planted feel under high speed situations. That's what brought me to tyres with a relatively stiff carcass and softer rubber, such as the v105 or those semi-UHP hybrids. I don't want a comfort tyre, I want something stiff and precise with loads of dry grip. I know that the PS4 is a superb tyre, but it's pretty expensive and from what I've heard seems to have rather soft sidewalls. Thats why I'm still unsure.
That is fair enough, I can appreciate that sentiment.It's not the outright most physical grip I am looking for, it's the feel of such tyre. At the moment I run a rather aggressive street alignment with -2.5° camber up front and -1.5° in the back with zero toe. My tyres are 215/45/17 Vredestein Ultrac Centos. They feel pretty nervous above 120mph on the autobahn, even with lowered tyre pressure. On the backroads with lower speeds around 50-70mph they don't feel that responsive, direct and connected to the road. I wish to have more feel of what my tyres are doing. And i wish to have a more planted feel under high speed situations. That's what brought me to tyres with a relatively stiff carcass and softer rubber, such as the v105 or those semi-UHP hybrids. I don't want a comfort tyre, I want something stiff and precise with loads of dry grip. I know that the PS4 is a superb tyre, but it's pretty expensive and from what I've heard seems to have rather soft sidewalls. Thats why I'm still unsure.
(Zero toe will contribute to responsiveness / nervousness at speed, won't it?)
IIRC the ContiSportContact6 came out top in the evo tyre test because of their good 'feel' - do have a thorough read of the whole review if you haven't already, as it's probably one of the best/most applicable
RSTurboPaul said:
In my head, any track-spec tyre will have more grip than a road-spec tyre because there is more rubber on the road, but will you be able to use that extra grip?
Are you driving so fast on the road that you would be breaching the limits of road tyres that are basically the best around?
I'm no saint, believe me, but anyone running track-rubber on the road must surely be absolutely caning it along if they require track rubber to get enough grip.
That's not correct. Are you driving so fast on the road that you would be breaching the limits of road tyres that are basically the best around?
I'm no saint, believe me, but anyone running track-rubber on the road must surely be absolutely caning it along if they require track rubber to get enough grip.
Track tyres need heat to work.
On the road on an average day Ps4 gripped just as well as Yokohama ad08r.
If anything a track tyre will grip less well due to being out of its operational temperature.
Ns2r are crap on the road in the wet.
I only went ad08r as I have a daily car. Otherwise id stick with ps4.
xjay1337 said:
Ns2r are crap on the road in the wet.
They're pretty good on the road in the wet...for a semi-slick. But yes you're right they are not quite as good as say a road tyre like a PS4 or whatever, but the gap is surprisingly small, IME anyway (I have done 7k road miles in NS2-R 180 in between track days).They don't like standing water, unsurprisingly.
OP I wouldn't suggest the NS2r if you don't track the car for the above reason but mainly because they're very uncomfortable / noisy.
Sounds like too much camber for road use, braking distances will be an issue, not to mention traction.
xjay1337 said:
Track tyres need heat to work.
On the road on an average day Ps4 gripped just as well as Yokohama ad08r.
If anything a track tyre will grip less well due to being out of its operational temperature.
Yeah but personally my question is: how much heat does a tyre that's meant to have a "180 street compound" really need? The NS-2R is supposed to have decent grip from cold and in the wet, once a little warmer.On the road on an average day Ps4 gripped just as well as Yokohama ad08r.
If anything a track tyre will grip less well due to being out of its operational temperature.
nickfrog said:
They're pretty good on the road in the wet...for a semi-slick. But yes you're right they are not quite as good as say a road tyre like a PS4 or whatever, but the gap is surprisingly small, IME anyway (I have done 7k road miles in NS2-R 180 in between track days).
They don't like standing water, unsurprisingly.
OP I wouldn't suggest the NS2r if you don't track the car for the above reason but mainly because they're very uncomfortable / noisy.
So in your experience, wet grip (on wet roads, not in puddles/standing water) once warmed up is not that much worse than a proper road tyre? Comfortability and Noise don't matter for me, my car is loud, uncomfortable and impractical as a DD anyway. It's a stiff and precise tyre I'm looking for, with loads of dry grip. Don't get me wrong, I'm pretty much set on the PS4 at the moment, I just don't wonna spend a lot of money and regret it afterwards.They don't like standing water, unsurprisingly.
OP I wouldn't suggest the NS2r if you don't track the car for the above reason but mainly because they're very uncomfortable / noisy.
nickfrog said:
Sounds like too much camber for road use, braking distances will be an issue, not to mention traction.
Alignment setup is fine, those Subies have a lot of understeer in stock setup, which is completely gone. Car handles very neutral, lots of cornering grip on the front. No issues with braking whatsoever. Running it for nearly a year that way.Difficult to gauge and give a metric ! But if I give 10/10 for the best performance road tyre in the wet, the NS2R would get a 8. The 180 compound turns on very quickly in terms of heat, unlike the 120 (now 100 I believe).
If your car is already displaying inherently poor NVH then I would definitely advise against it. Very little outright grip to be gained vs a Supersport or a 105 on the road. The big difference is only on the track where the SS/105 will melt after 2/3 hot laps and the NS2R 180 will be stable for 8 laps typically and a few more for the 120 although that will take 1 more lap to get to optimum temp.
If your car is already displaying inherently poor NVH then I would definitely advise against it. Very little outright grip to be gained vs a Supersport or a 105 on the road. The big difference is only on the track where the SS/105 will melt after 2/3 hot laps and the NS2R 180 will be stable for 8 laps typically and a few more for the 120 although that will take 1 more lap to get to optimum temp.
I have driven ad08r and ns2r in the wet. (I have ad08r on my car)
Its not suitable for a daily drive in my opinion. Fine and safe but can be unpredictable even when hot.
My car is excellent in the wet and still struggles. Thats my personal opinion and different cars may behave differently which is fair enough :-)
Michelin ps4 is the best all round tyre at the moment. Again my opinion.
If youre doing a couple of trackdays a year then go for mpss or ps4s if you are 19"+.
Too many ppl over-tyre their car.
Its not suitable for a daily drive in my opinion. Fine and safe but can be unpredictable even when hot.
My car is excellent in the wet and still struggles. Thats my personal opinion and different cars may behave differently which is fair enough :-)
Michelin ps4 is the best all round tyre at the moment. Again my opinion.
If youre doing a couple of trackdays a year then go for mpss or ps4s if you are 19"+.
Too many ppl over-tyre their car.
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