Diesel sales down 30% in October
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I'm not one for doom mongering but that is not good. Not sure what the government could do though.
I'm not one for doom mongering but that is not good. Not sure what the government could do though.
Stormfly1985 said:
Http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-41884203
I'm not one for doom mongering but that is not good. Not sure what the government could do though.
Comparing Oct 16 to Oct 17 sales figures aren't a very good way of telling the state of the market.I'm not one for doom mongering but that is not good. Not sure what the government could do though.
I think people who traditionally purchased Diesel cars, for the wrong type of journeys have started to look at other options, small turbo petrol or a type of hybrid.
The government need to stop hammering company car drivers with increases in BIK when diesel is the only viable option. I do too many miles where a hybrid would be a compromised decision through lack of true electric range and charging opportunities.
The government need to stop hammering company car drivers with increases in BIK when diesel is the only viable option. I do too many miles where a hybrid would be a compromised decision through lack of true electric range and charging opportunities.
CraigyMc said:
Comparing Oct 16 to Oct 17 sales figures aren't a very good way of telling the state of the market.
I'm sure the tide has turned against diesels but you're right about a single month - some manufacturers that you'd expect to be fairly steady where down by a greater percentage, inc Jaguar, MINI and Nissan.I'm hoping fewer diesels on the used market will help resale prices!
hyphen said:
How are fleet/company/other volume car sales approaching diesel purchases now?
For our company, circa 300 cars we've been actively reducing the c02 limit, now down to a max of 120.Hybrid / Electric doesn't work for 95% of users so there's not really and wiggle room. Full electric doesn't have the range and hybrids are compromised for different reasons.
I wouldn't be surprised if we switched to offering cash instead.
Teebs said:
For our company, circa 300 cars we've been actively reducing the c02 limit, now down to a max of 120.
Hybrid / Electric doesn't work for 95% of users so there's not really and wiggle room. Full electric doesn't have the range and hybrids are compromised for different reasons.
I wouldn't be surprised if we switched to offering cash instead.
Some companies impose limits even for opt-out users but often people use the cash to buy older more polluting cars. Brilliant. Hybrid / Electric doesn't work for 95% of users so there's not really and wiggle room. Full electric doesn't have the range and hybrids are compromised for different reasons.
I wouldn't be surprised if we switched to offering cash instead.
Sheepshanks said:
Some companies impose limits even for opt-out users but often people use the cash to buy older more polluting cars. Brilliant.
Brilliant. The only saving grace for us is that our scheme is through Alphabet, owned by BMW. We get very very good rates on their vehicles and their c02 outputs are some of the lowest around for diesel cars, but their list prices are shocking so you still pay a fair wack on BIK.Private buyers of diesel done so because they were cheap to run and that was it. The same people now have different options to retain their cheap ass mentality. Also diesel is now accepted as being the devil in the average household, and people don't want to be associated with it.
Its amazing how much mentality has changed, even in my office diehard diesels fans are looking at other options. One has a leaf and loves it, says he would never go back to diesel now.
Its amazing how much mentality has changed, even in my office diehard diesels fans are looking at other options. One has a leaf and loves it, says he would never go back to diesel now.
buying habits have changed.
I don't see the hate for hybrid personally, infact if I didn't have a golf r on a cheap lease I would probably be in a lexus IS300h.
Perfect for my journeys of approx 15 miles a day, and if ever we want to go anywhere further affield you have a petrol engine. Its not exciting, but gets me from a to b, which really, which modern car is exciting, even the r exercise your right foot for 5 seconds, your at 55 / 60 mph.
Electric would be ideal for me locally, but I am still not convinced, and a used electric car is worth next to nothing, unless you get a tesla.
I don't see the hate for hybrid personally, infact if I didn't have a golf r on a cheap lease I would probably be in a lexus IS300h.
Perfect for my journeys of approx 15 miles a day, and if ever we want to go anywhere further affield you have a petrol engine. Its not exciting, but gets me from a to b, which really, which modern car is exciting, even the r exercise your right foot for 5 seconds, your at 55 / 60 mph.
Electric would be ideal for me locally, but I am still not convinced, and a used electric car is worth next to nothing, unless you get a tesla.
Teebs said:
For our company, circa 300 cars we've been actively reducing the c02 limit, now down to a max of 120.
Hybrid / Electric doesn't work for 95% of users so there's not really and wiggle room. Full electric doesn't have the range and hybrids are compromised for different reasons.
I wouldn't be surprised if we switched to offering cash instead.
I wouldn't want to be in charge of a grey fleet, they can be a nightmare to manage and god help the company if one of the drivers has an accident on company business and doesn't have the correct insurance/MOT run out/lost their license. Hybrid / Electric doesn't work for 95% of users so there's not really and wiggle room. Full electric doesn't have the range and hybrids are compromised for different reasons.
I wouldn't be surprised if we switched to offering cash instead.
Fast Bug said:
I wouldn't want to be in charge of a grey fleet, they can be a nightmare to manage and god help the company if one of the drivers has an accident on company business and doesn't have the correct insurance/MOT run out/lost their license.
I think that's what stopped us so far. Even our company car drivers don't look after their vehicles when everything is paid for, bald tyres, low oil, overdue services etc. My colleague had 1mm on all their tyres a while back, bloody Kwik-Fit will fit new tyres on your driveway!RFL change has made the difference to buyers, People buying more petrol again because there's no £0 band so paying the £1000-£2000 difference upfront for the diesel makes no 'sense' to them,
New car buyers are a species of their own, would spend the extra £1000 to save £20pa on RFL previously, now won't.
New car buyers are a species of their own, would spend the extra £1000 to save £20pa on RFL previously, now won't.
Fast Bug said:
I wouldn't want to be in charge of a grey fleet, they can be a nightmare to manage and god help the company if one of the drivers has an accident on company business and doesn't have the correct insurance/MOT run out/lost their license.
There are lots of scare stories about that from the fleet industry but I'm not aware anything has ever been done about it.Sheepshanks said:
Fast Bug said:
I wouldn't want to be in charge of a grey fleet, they can be a nightmare to manage and god help the company if one of the drivers has an accident on company business and doesn't have the correct insurance/MOT run out/lost their license.
There are lots of scare stories about that from the fleet industry but I'm not aware anything has ever been done about it.I'm not sure if any company directors have gone to prison or companies have faced large fines because of duty of care, but the threat is there.
Teebs said:
I think people who traditionally purchased Diesel cars, for the wrong type of journeys have started to look at other options, small turbo petrol or a type of hybrid.
The government need to stop hammering company car drivers with increases in BIK when diesel is the only viable option. I do too many miles where a hybrid would be a compromised decision through lack of true electric range and charging opportunities.
The government need to stop hammering company car drivers with increases in BIK when diesel is the only viable option. I do too many miles where a hybrid would be a compromised decision through lack of true electric range and charging opportunities.
You need to get a diesel Hybrid that way your BIK won't be too high & you then still get the economy of a diesel, Mercedes C/E300 or the DS4 etc.
I think its a rebalancing of diesel sales back to what they should be.
Too many people bought diesels because it was the go to option, not because it was the right choice.
Better options now for economical alternatives, fear of the governments future plans regarding diesel taxation and city pollution zones and increasing costs of the diesel variants compared to the petrol variant particularly in small to medium sized cars.
I've a 2016 diesel but it will probably be my last. DPF problems already so wont be bothered with another.
Too many people bought diesels because it was the go to option, not because it was the right choice.
Better options now for economical alternatives, fear of the governments future plans regarding diesel taxation and city pollution zones and increasing costs of the diesel variants compared to the petrol variant particularly in small to medium sized cars.
I've a 2016 diesel but it will probably be my last. DPF problems already so wont be bothered with another.
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