MK6 Golf R vs. MK7 GTI
Discussion
As above, soon to be in the market for one of the above.
I plan on keeping this car for an extensive period of time aswell as modifying it through time, im curious as to wether there's anyone that can shed some light on my predicament.
MK6 R;
EA113 High Output,
I know these engines are a fair bit older now, but with the standard vehicle pushing 266bhp from standard through the Haldex system, this appeals to me after owning a TTS.. i plan on mapping the car and reading figures with the K04 'Stage2+' can see upto 380bhp. Problem is, is the older engine still worth the time?
MK7 GTi;
Gen3 EA888?
Newer engine, seems to have reviews of being absolutely solid internal wise.. but being FWD and 220 standard, again reading figures but this time seems to top out with a 'Stage2' map at around 310-340bhp without replacing the turbo with the IS38.
Dilemma being, do i opt for the newer car and gradually progress with it over time maybe venturing into IS38 teritory?
or do i go for the MK6 and deal with the engine being slightly older but having the haldex?
Both vehicles will be DSG,
Recently went out in a MK7 R and was impressed, but no longer wish to spend £19k+ on a car that wont be driven daily.
Not saying i cant live without 4WD, as im not silly and realise theres alot of too/fro about it even being worth the time, but do i want to pour money into LSD's etc just for it to grip.
Any help would be perfect!
I plan on keeping this car for an extensive period of time aswell as modifying it through time, im curious as to wether there's anyone that can shed some light on my predicament.
MK6 R;
EA113 High Output,
I know these engines are a fair bit older now, but with the standard vehicle pushing 266bhp from standard through the Haldex system, this appeals to me after owning a TTS.. i plan on mapping the car and reading figures with the K04 'Stage2+' can see upto 380bhp. Problem is, is the older engine still worth the time?
MK7 GTi;
Gen3 EA888?
Newer engine, seems to have reviews of being absolutely solid internal wise.. but being FWD and 220 standard, again reading figures but this time seems to top out with a 'Stage2' map at around 310-340bhp without replacing the turbo with the IS38.
Dilemma being, do i opt for the newer car and gradually progress with it over time maybe venturing into IS38 teritory?
or do i go for the MK6 and deal with the engine being slightly older but having the haldex?
Both vehicles will be DSG,
Recently went out in a MK7 R and was impressed, but no longer wish to spend £19k+ on a car that wont be driven daily.
Not saying i cant live without 4WD, as im not silly and realise theres alot of too/fro about it even being worth the time, but do i want to pour money into LSD's etc just for it to grip.
Any help would be perfect!
The MK6R was supposedly pretty forgetful to drive. Fast and capable but not particularly fun to drive. I suppose this sentiment is commonly shared amongst fast Golf's but the MK7 platform is generally described as a fairly substantial improvement.
I'd go for the MK7 GTI, or do the above and stretch to a MK7R.
I'd go for the MK7 GTI, or do the above and stretch to a MK7R.
if I spent £19k on a manual Golf R (~2 years old, 15k miles) what do people think this would be worth in 3 years time? (assuming 12k miles a year)
Alternatively I'm thinking of getting a Fiesta ST-3, cheap, fun and quite high spec for the money. Didn't want to start a new thread so thought I'd join in here!
Alternatively I'm thinking of getting a Fiesta ST-3, cheap, fun and quite high spec for the money. Didn't want to start a new thread so thought I'd join in here!
I have the same engine in a facelift Scirocco R, other than needing to replace the cam follower they're very strong engines and rev hard right up to the redline (compared to the EA888).
Pushing 280bhp through the front wheels isn't enjoyable without a proper diff .... as I'm experiencing right now!
I'd go for the MK7 GTI PP if it was my choice but as you're planning on performance mods it'd have to be the MK6 R.
Seems like theres alot of backup around the modifying of the MK6 R, but having seen quite a few heavilly tuned GTi's it makes me think the weight saving from not having the Haldex could go that bit further and also make it more nimble...
Since i want to keep it long term and modify it performance wise its a hard decision to make as the MK7 R is out of my budget, the MK6R looks great but has the older unit (as stated above only real thing is the cam follower so ive heard) and things like 8P RS3's are slightly out of budget also.
Since i want to keep it long term and modify it performance wise its a hard decision to make as the MK7 R is out of my budget, the MK6R looks great but has the older unit (as stated above only real thing is the cam follower so ive heard) and things like 8P RS3's are slightly out of budget also.
I would get the mk7 Gti.
I've had a MK6 gti edition 35 which shares the same engine as the MK6 R, and whilst it was a excellent car especially with Dsg gearbox, the problems that are associated with the EA113 will eat you alive.
Google about the cam follower on the EA113.
Although some people have reported problems with the timing chain on the EA888 but it's not as widespread as the cam follower issues mentioned above.
Oh and don't forget the EA113 needs cambelt and waterpump every 5 years/45K miles.
I've had a MK6 gti edition 35 which shares the same engine as the MK6 R, and whilst it was a excellent car especially with Dsg gearbox, the problems that are associated with the EA113 will eat you alive.
Google about the cam follower on the EA113.
Although some people have reported problems with the timing chain on the EA888 but it's not as widespread as the cam follower issues mentioned above.
Oh and don't forget the EA113 needs cambelt and waterpump every 5 years/45K miles.
I think i definately want the DSG box regardless of eng choice, just looked into more of the MK7 R as someone stated above that they can be had in manual for 15-17K or so, that being true.. although there was only 4 for sale in my price range (up to £17k) 3 of which were 5 doors and they were all manual..
Whereas a fully kitted MK7 GTI, will less miles, in the colour i like, 3 door and DSG is still cheaper than the entry prices on the R's.
Whereas a fully kitted MK7 GTI, will less miles, in the colour i like, 3 door and DSG is still cheaper than the entry prices on the R's.
lakeyy95 said:
Seems like theres alot of backup around the modifying of the MK6 R, but having seen quite a few heavilly tuned GTi's it makes me think the weight saving from not having the Haldex could go that bit further and also make it more nimble...
Since i want to keep it long term and modify it performance wise its a hard decision to make as the MK7 R is out of my budget, the MK6R looks great but has the older unit (as stated above only real thing is the cam follower so ive heard) and things like 8P RS3's are slightly out of budget also.
A modified GTI with the same power as the R will be quicker from a rolling start around or above the NSL yes but the first two gears are almost unusable in my Scirocco R (which is standard). Over 50% throttle in 3rd is out of the question in the damp/cold and some times WOT in 4th causes wheel spin.Since i want to keep it long term and modify it performance wise its a hard decision to make as the MK7 R is out of my budget, the MK6R looks great but has the older unit (as stated above only real thing is the cam follower so ive heard) and things like 8P RS3's are slightly out of budget also.
Although throttle input should be linear etc wheelspinning up to the NSL isn't fun imo. If you spend a lot of time on the motorway then the above isn't so much if an issue as me, who spends most of the time driving in and around the city where lack of traction becomes annoying with any sort of heavy throttle input.
In regards to the engines, if you take a look online you'll see the only real issue is the cam follower which is a very cheap and non-labour intensive item to replace! The EA888 whilst being okay on the whole has had a lot of turbo issue on standard cars, let alone modified ones.
I reckon the GTI will depreciate far less than a Golf R - Especially if well specced.
Finding one with Dynaudio / heated seats / nicer alloys etc is far easier than finding a Golf R with any spec.
Plus a glut of Golf R's on market.
GTI actually does drive really very well also. Its a bit lighter feeling in my opinion compared to the R and a a very capable car.
BAM225 said:
the problems that are associated with the EA113 will eat you alive.
Google about the cam follower on the EA113.
Although some people have reported problems with the timing chain on the EA888 but it's not as widespread as the cam follower issues mentioned above.
That's not true.Google about the cam follower on the EA113.
Although some people have reported problems with the timing chain on the EA888 but it's not as widespread as the cam follower issues mentioned above.
The cam follower issues were only widely reported on earlier EA113 examples e.g. in the early Mk5 GTIs. VW have revised the part a number of times since so it's no longer an issue where the revised part is fitted.
As an example, the cam follower on my engine was replaced at 80k and showed zero signs of wear - my car was on the original part from 2011.
There's aren't any other major issues reported with the EA113 which is why VW used it for such a long time and why there's such a market for tuning them.
the mk6 R will keep iys value better although they arent cheap to buy.
vw got their pricing wrong and didnt shift many. theyll be sought after in the future whereas th emk7 gti is a great car an dselling in decent numbers.
both are rubbish in my opinion tho as dont have enough cyclinders. ive a mk5 R32, last proper hot hatch VW built!
vw got their pricing wrong and didnt shift many. theyll be sought after in the future whereas th emk7 gti is a great car an dselling in decent numbers.
both are rubbish in my opinion tho as dont have enough cyclinders. ive a mk5 R32, last proper hot hatch VW built!
kingswood said:
ive a mk5 R32, last proper hot hatch VW built!
I used to believe that too! I had an R32 from new in '07. In 2015 I bought an R with the plan to keep both. After about 4 months I realised that the R32 had scarcely turned a wheel. As much as I loved it (and I really did), the R is so much better in every single department. (except for the cylinder count).
kingswood said:
the mk6 R will keep iys value better although they arent cheap to buy.
vw got their pricing wrong and didnt shift many. theyll be sought after in the future whereas th emk7 gti is a great car an dselling in decent numbers.
both are rubbish in my opinion tho as dont have enough cyclinders. ive a mk5 R32, last proper hot hatch VW built!
Ive driven a GTI MK5 and a MK5 R32 back to back. I found the engine better in the R32, but I found the GTI was better in every other way.vw got their pricing wrong and didnt shift many. theyll be sought after in the future whereas th emk7 gti is a great car an dselling in decent numbers.
both are rubbish in my opinion tho as dont have enough cyclinders. ive a mk5 R32, last proper hot hatch VW built!
I'd go Mk7 all day long
If money allowed to R much better at putting the power down and very capable with not alot of money spent
This one's a perfect example
https://youtu.be/hjSrluLO17A
If money allowed to R much better at putting the power down and very capable with not alot of money spent
This one's a perfect example
https://youtu.be/hjSrluLO17A
kingswood said:
both are rubbish in my opinion tho as dont have enough cyclinders. ive a mk5 R32, last proper hot hatch VW built!
Had a black MK5 R32, loved it not going to lie, had it on 40k miles with DSG and the RNS510.But performance mods put me off, £6-9k for 100bhp gains? Not worth it.. (Forced Induction)
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