buying a car to sell on 1st time, can i fill dealer part log
buying a car to sell on 1st time, can i fill dealer part log
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newbie29

Original Poster:

247 posts

150 months

Tuesday 12th June 2018
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Hi Guys

seen a cheap car locally to me, looks decent enough, i have a fair bot of experience with cars, just never bought to sell. Thought id try and give it a shot,

Can i fill in the dealer part of logbook? or do you need to be registered as a dealer. As id hate to put another owner on the car.

what part of teh logbook do i keep, and when i come to sell it on, will i retain the original part of the logbook.

thanks again

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

146 months

Tuesday 12th June 2018
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You will be planning on standing by your legal requirements as a trader, when it comes to the buyer's consumer rights...? And declaring your profit to HMRC for income tax?

WonkeyDonkey

2,532 posts

123 months

Tuesday 12th June 2018
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Of course not, he's the love child of del boy and Mike brewer.

TXG399

134 posts

153 months

Wednesday 13th June 2018
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You need a to be registered to VAT (among other things) to be able to fill in the dealer section of the V5.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

146 months

Wednesday 13th June 2018
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TXG399 said:
You need a to be registered to VAT (among other things) to be able to fill in the dealer section of the V5.
No, you don't.

newbie29

Original Poster:

247 posts

150 months

Wednesday 13th June 2018
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could i fill in the dealer part with my wifes name, she is vat registered?

when i come to sell it on, what part of teh logbook will the new owner get, does the dvla send out a new logbook to me or do i retain most of the old logbook.

It lotus Elise a bit of a hobby wont be doing it often.

Nickp82

3,743 posts

113 months

Wednesday 13th June 2018
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newbie29 said:
could i fill in the dealer part with my wifes name, she is vat registered?

when i come to sell it on, what part of teh logbook will the new owner get, does the dvla send out a new logbook to me or do i retain most of the old logbook.

It lotus Elise a bit of a hobby wont be doing it often.
As stated previously, you do not need to be VAT registered to fill in the yellow slip.

If you choose to declare yourself as a motor trader when buying the Lotus you take the whole logbook from the seller with the exception of the yellow slip. When you sell the the Elise you give the new owner the green section and send the rest off to DVLA (or even easier do it online) filled in with the new owner details.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

146 months

Wednesday 13th June 2018
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newbie29 said:
could i fill in the dealer part with my wifes name, she is vat registered?
Is her VAT reg business buying and selling the car? No? Then why put it in her name? If it's not going through her books, whether she's VAT reg or not is irrelevant. Not that VAT registration has anything to do with keepership of the vehicle.

newbie29 said:
when i come to sell it on, what part of teh logbook will the new owner get, does the dvla send out a new logbook to me or do i retain most of the old logbook.
If you're trading it, then the old keeper sends the V5C/3 trader slip to DVLA, and hands the rest to you. You then hand the rest on when you sell it, whether within the trade or to an actual keeper.

newbie29 said:
It lotus Elise a bit of a hobby wont be doing it often.
Doesn't matter. Either you're buying it for you, registering it in your own name, then later selling it (not a trader) or you're a trader with all the legal obligations that carries.

Trevor555

4,956 posts

104 months

Wednesday 13th June 2018
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We all have to start somewhere, I still remember my first business purchase.

Stock no. 1 Citroen AX

You need to keep simple books, and get yourself a stock book that lists every car you buy, from whom, and to who you sell it to.

When your turnover hits the VAT thresh hold you'll have to register for VAT.

In fact, from memory you have to take a three month period, and if that goes over what would be the VAT thresh hold in a quarter then that's the point you should have registered.

My memory isn't what it was so maybe someone more up to date can verify this?

But as TooManyCvs says, there are legal obligations if you start selling cars for profit, look into them as I'm sure they may put you off.

You might get away with doing up to six cars per year before having to call it a business for HMRC purposes.

Again, my advice may be out of date now so please check yourself.

If you go for it I'll give you one piece of advice.

Every car you sell, get it freshly MOT tested at point of sale.

It doesn't cover every scenario, but it shows you did at least something to ensure the car was roadworthy when it left your yard.

It's not the business it once was I'm afraid, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone nowadays.