Is this type of driving more suited to diesel or petrol?
Is this type of driving more suited to diesel or petrol?
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mangos

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3,163 posts

202 months

Wednesday 27th February 2019
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I do around 20k miles tops per year.
My commute is only a few miles each way and I only do it a few days a week but each week will have at least one long journey at the weekend of sometimes up to 200 miles, once a year will be a long trip abroad to south of France or further and about 3 times a year will be trips to visit friends or family in all different parts of the UK.

The mileage overall would work for a diesel but would those short commutes each week mean it’s better suited to a petrol?

anonymous-user

75 months

Wednesday 27th February 2019
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Sounds like diesel territory to me, if fuel economy is a priority.

dmsims

7,329 posts

288 months

Wednesday 27th February 2019
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Why not consider a PHEV?

Much better suited than a diesel

P700DEE

1,180 posts

251 months

Wednesday 27th February 2019
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Diesel particulates will build up on every journey you commute on but should burn off on the long runs. You are in the higher mileage area so in theory a diesel might work out cheaper. Probably depends on which car , the merits of the diesel vs Petrol vs Hybrid options in that car.

mangos

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3,163 posts

202 months

Wednesday 27th February 2019
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dmsims said:
Why not consider a PHEV?

Much better suited than a diesel
I hadn’t considered this.

To be honest I haven’t really thought much of them since around 5 years ago when they did about 50 miles between charges!


GreatGranny

9,519 posts

247 months

Wednesday 27th February 2019
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mangos said:
I hadn’t considered this.

To be honest I haven’t really thought much of them since around 5 years ago when they did about 50 miles between charges!
You're probably thinking of full electric car.

PHEV is a petrol hybrid and will only do about 15 miles max on electric but will be more economical than a full petrol.

Lots of manufacturers sell tem and they are a good compromise and sound ideal for your type of use.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

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mangos

Original Poster:

3,163 posts

202 months

Wednesday 27th February 2019
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dmsims said:
Why not consider a PHEV?

Much better suited than a diesel
I hadn’t considered this.

To be honest I haven’t really thought much of them since around 5 years ago when they did about 50 miles between charges!


HustleRussell

26,007 posts

181 months

Wednesday 27th February 2019
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Another vote for diesel.

dmsims said:
Why not consider a PHEV?

Much better suited than a diesel
What sort of PHEV and better how? I suppose a plug-in hybrid will ace the short commutes but what about the other 19,000 miles per year?

dmsims

7,329 posts

288 months

Wednesday 27th February 2019
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HustleRussell said:
What sort of PHEV and better how? I suppose a plug-in hybrid will ace the short commutes but what about the other 19,000 miles per year?
ahh another "Diesel Nigel"

Diesel "economy" on those short runs is going to be let's say "less than optimal"

Let's be generous and say:

1 long trip a week 200 * 50 = 10,000

3 visits to FF = 1,500 ??

1 trip abroad = 3,000

where do you get the "other 19,000 miles per year" from?

My GTE which will do 25 miles on EV only and gives around 55mpg on a long run

Maybe the OP could give some better info / requirements ?

HustleRussell

26,007 posts

181 months

Wednesday 27th February 2019
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dmsims said:
HustleRussell said:
What sort of PHEV and better how? I suppose a plug-in hybrid will ace the short commutes but what about the other 19,000 miles per year?
ahh another "Diesel Nigel"
Very funny and all that except I don't own or drive a diesel

If I was doing '20,000 miles tops' a year like the OP I probably would because the diesel will return as good or better fuel economy than your GTE while being cheaper to buy, less complicated and IMO more enjoyable to drive on account of being directly driven via an engine and manual gearbox instead of an indecisive hybrid powertrain.

(I don't know what a GTE is?)

DoubleD

22,154 posts

129 months

Wednesday 27th February 2019
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ZX10R NIN

29,877 posts

146 months

Wednesday 27th February 2019
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HustleRussell said:
dmsims said:
HustleRussell said:
What sort of PHEV and better how? I suppose a plug-in hybrid will ace the short commutes but what about the other 19,000 miles per year?
ahh another "Diesel Nigel"
Very funny and all that except I don't own or drive a diesel

If I was doing '20,000 miles tops' a year like the OP I probably would because the diesel will return as good or better fuel economy than your GTE while being cheaper to buy, less complicated and IMO more enjoyable to drive on account of being directly driven via an engine and manual gearbox instead of an indecisive hybrid powertrain.

(I don't know what a GTE is?)
Like all things it usage dependent but doing 20k a year is diesel territory all day on the long runs this car will be better than a Hybrid, funnily enough I have a fair few clients with GTE's most are getting only slightly better numbers than if they had a GTI (again usage makes a difference) most modern diesels will be into the 50's on a run the hybrids don't give good figures on motorway runs.

So I'd be going diesel all day, in fact I did & I do similar miles to you.



dmsims

7,329 posts

288 months

Wednesday 27th February 2019
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https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

the GTE is better than the GTD on the motorway and what about all those short journeys?


DoubleD

22,154 posts

129 months

Wednesday 27th February 2019
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https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/volkswagen-golf-gte-...

Not according to this review it isnt

HustleRussell

26,007 posts

181 months

Wednesday 27th February 2019
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dmsims said:
https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

the GTE is better than the GTD on the motorway and what about all those short journeys?
Better how? Efficiency?

ZX10R NIN

29,877 posts

146 months

Wednesday 27th February 2019
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Hybrids are great at motorway work when compared to a diesel they work better on shorter journeys. As I say workout your usage then get the right car.

Jag_NE

3,300 posts

121 months

Wednesday 27th February 2019
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A few miles each way is 30 a week so you must be in the region of 18k a year on your long trip motorway miles? Don’t buy a PHEV or any type of hybrid they are bloody awful, not particularly economical, slow, and crap drives. Pretty much anything made by Lexus/Toyota/Hyundai etc are hideous in every way.

A large petrol engine will be nice if you aren’t cost sensitive but a euro6, six cylinder diesel will give good economy and a nice drive. With no worries about ULEZ type stuff.

dmsims

7,329 posts

288 months

Wednesday 27th February 2019
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DoubleD said:
https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/volkswagen-golf-gte-...

Not according to this review it isnt
"The GTD is certainly efficient – it returns 67.3mph on average. This would be impressive if it weren’t for the GTE’s trump card – its plug-in hybrid setup allows it to achieve 166mpg and emit just 39g/km of CO2"

That "review" is the biggest load of crap I've read in a long time

No one gets those figures

HustleRussell

26,007 posts

181 months

Wednesday 27th February 2019
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It neglects the £3.5k difference in RRP too. 600 gallons of diesel.

DoubleD

22,154 posts

129 months

Wednesday 27th February 2019
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dmsims said:
DoubleD said:
https://www.carwow.co.uk/blog/volkswagen-golf-gte-...

Not according to this review it isnt
"The GTD is certainly efficient – it returns 67.3mph on average. This would be impressive if it weren’t for the GTE’s trump card – its plug-in hybrid setup allows it to achieve 166mpg and emit just 39g/km of CO2"

That "review" is the biggest load of crap I've read in a long time

No one gets those figures
"It’s a case of picking which car is better suited to your driving style. If you do lots of motorway miles then we’d recommend sticking with the GTD – the GTE’s electric powertrain is less effective at sustained high speeds, whereas they’re something of a specialty for diesels."