Honda CRV Advice Needed

[Scubacollie]

Hi All, first post on these forums and chose this forum as believe i can get the best advise from you guys

Anyway here goes.

I'm in the market for an SUV, must be 4 x 4/AWD, must be Auto, and must have a large boot space, and good on the mpg.

I'm also planning on keeping this car for many years to come and need one that's going to be super reliable.

Therefore i narrowed it down to the Toyota RAV4 or the Honda CRV.

The RAV4 has a long waiting list i understand, and is slightly more expective than the CRV.

I'm test driving the CRV this evening.

The advise i need is this please......

The 2019 model is available in the 1.5 turbo engine which has had issues with the oil/fuel dilution, and isn't as fuel efficient as the 2.0 Hybrid engine.

However, the Hybrid engine will have the battery/motors that could potentially fail in the future and therefore this may mitigate the longevity and reliabiltiy that i so badly need from the car?

Therefore i wondered if it may be worth going for an older CRV and get a straight forward diesel engine instead?

What would you guys recommend?

Many thanks in advance!

[strath44]

Personally I would be going for anything in the VW / Skoda / Audi arena if you plan buying new and keeping long term.

You won't go wrong with a Tiguan especially long term and Skoda's offerings are very good as well.

What's your annual mileage and budget?

I am not a fan (at all) of the new Rav 4's styling it has to be said!

[Scubacollie]

Hi mate i drive high mileage,around 25-28k per annum, budget i can go up to max 35k

[strath44]

You really need IMO to be on diesel, I'm not sure I would want a Rav4 or Crv high mileage - they are good cars but not as resilient as anything VW derrived.

The Skoda Kodiaq has a huge boot -

https://www.arnoldclark.com/nearly-new-cars/skoda/...

Tiguan All Space -

https://www.arnoldclark.com/nearly-new-cars/volksw...

https://www.arnoldclark.com/nearly-new-cars/volksw...

Volvo XC-60

https://www.arnoldclark.com/nearly-new-cars/volvo/...

[RazerSauber]

electric motors and hybrid systems tend to be fairly bullet proof. You're either going to spend the money on fuel with the 1.5 or *maybe* spend the money on a hybrid system repair in the future. I've read many good reports about the Honda IMA system, if this is the same technology then you shouldn't have any worries.

I'd go for the Hybrid, personally.

[ZX10R NIN]

I have to say with that mileage I'd be looking for a diesel you won't have issues due to your annual mileage.

[Scubacollie]

Hi guys, they don't make the diesels anymore, the diesels were the 1.6 DTEC and last made 2018, you reckon i would be better off getting an older one and going diesel instead of paying the premium and getting the Hybrid?

The only drawback is they don't do the diesels on the new shape.......

[Scubacollie]

P.S. I thought Honda were more reliable than VW?

Also the VW is smaller than the CRV?

[stevemcs]

Scubacollie said:

P.S. I thought Honda were more reliable than VW?

Also the VW is smaller than the CRV?

Honda are more reliable than anything VW produce and don't have such poor driving positions. They are designed and everything just works. Given you are going to cover 35k per year I would look at a used example around 2 years old, most of the depreciation would have hit and you will lose less money in the long run.

[ZX10R NIN]

Scubacollie said:

Hi guys, they don't make the diesels anymore, the diesels were the 1.6 DTEC and last made 2018, you reckon i would be better off getting an older one and going diesel instead of paying the premium and getting the Hybrid?

The only drawback is they don't do the diesels on the new shape.......

The Hybrid is only 1.8mpg better than the 1.5T in which case I'd go for the petrol but yes I'd go for a low mileage CRV diesel:

Brand new unregistered 2.2d CRV 150/120:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new...

Have you considered a Kia Sorento?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

[ALawson]

ZX10R NIN said:

The Hybrid is only 1.8mpg better than the 1.5T in which case I'd go for the petrol but yes I'd go for a low mileage CRV diesel:

Brand new unregistered 2.2d CRV 150/120:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new...

Have you considered a Kia Sorento?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

I love my Hondas and have been looking at the iCDTi CRV and Accord offerings, its just a little concerning from reading some stuff online about large bills associated with DPFs. Ok some people doing small mileage have issues which isn't a surprize but there are some people doing pretty big miles which failures. I have heard that between 80-120k miles they will need a new one at large expense. Having said that my local indy reckons he has only seen 1 CRV in with DPF issues.

That last registered cars aren't EX's so I would try and find the lowest mileage versions of a 2.2 if you ever want to tow anything. Apparently the 1.6 can struggle.

[ilikejam]

ALawson said:

ZX10R NIN said:

The Hybrid is only 1.8mpg better than the 1.5T in which case I'd go for the petrol but yes I'd go for a low mileage CRV diesel:

Brand new unregistered 2.2d CRV 150/120:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/new...

Have you considered a Kia Sorento?

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/201...

I love my Hondas and have been looking at the iCDTi CRV and Accord offerings, its just a little concerning from reading some stuff online about large bills associated with DPFs. Ok some people doing small mileage have issues which isn't a surprize but there are some people doing pretty big miles which failures. I have heard that between 80-120k miles they will need a new one at large expense. Having said that my local indy reckons he has only seen 1 CRV in with DPF issues.

That last registered cars aren't EX's so I would try and find the lowest mileage versions of a 2.2 if you ever want to tow anything. Apparently the 1.6 can struggle.

Honda stopped making the 2.2d in 2015 so I don't believe those adverts are real. The facelift in March 2015 saw the 2.2d changed to the 1.6d Earth Dreams which had the same power and torque as the 2.2. It initially sat on the engine options list alongside the previous gen 1.6d which had lower outputs.

Just by luck rather than any planning we got the facelift 1.6 on the day they were launched. Ours had DPF issues and a bill of £2k (negotiated down from their initial quote of £4k+) after 2.5 years and 25k miles. If I was doing OP's mileage it wouldn't concern me to have another.

Edited by ilikejam on Tuesday 16th July 15:59

[ALawson]

ilikejam said:

Honda stopped making the 2.2d in 2015 so I don't believe those adverts are real. The facelift in March 2015 saw the 2.2d changed to the 1.6d Earth Dreams which had the same power and torque as the 2.2. It initially sat on the engine options list alongside the previous gen 1.6d which had lower outputs.

Just by luck rather than any planning we got the facelift 1.6 on the day they were launched. Ours had DPF issues and a bill of £2k (negotiated down from their initial quote of £4k+) after 2.5 years and 25k miles. If I was doing OP's mileage it wouldn't concern me to have another.

Edited by ilikejam on Tuesday 16th July 15:59

Did you pay £2k for DPF during the warranty period due to only doing 10k miles per year? What was Hondas take on it?

[strath44]

stevemcs said:

Honda are more reliable than anything VW produce and don't have such poor driving positions. They are designed and everything just works. Given you are going to cover 35k per year I would look at a used example around 2 years old, most of the depreciation would have hit and you will lose less money in the long run.

I do love a dramatic fleeting comment with zero substance.

Ok so are you saying that JD Power car surveying are wrong? Toyota Ranked well below industry standard for issues, Honda ranks fractionally above VW. However the CRV rated average and the Tiguan top of its class. Skoda is rated the 2nd best manufacturer for reliability in 2019.

I run various company cars and drive high mileages - initial cost v reliability v running cost over ownership VAG cars are highly consistent based on my experience.

To answer the OPs question yes I would buy a 2018/19 MY diesel over a 2020 MY hybrid electric if I were long term high mileaging it and I wouldn't be looking at a Honda or Toyota.

Finally if you want to buy something no older I would say than a year with as low miles as possible to maximise the warranty as this tend to be when any vehicle is most likely to have issues.

[ninjag]

Personally I think the new CRV isn't enough of a step up from the 4th gen to warrant the price, although it does have a much improved awd system. There's too much cheapness for my liking especially with the interior such as plastic trim rather than carpet/fabric.

The higher powered 1.6d AWD 4th gen has the 9 speed transmission though. My brother has the facelift 8th gen Accord 2.2d and it had to have the dpf removed and sent away for cleaning and it only had under 30k miles - which would suggest not being used properly for a diesel.

The 4th gen crv is strangely bad at maintaining interior temp, it's either too hot or full on a/c to cool the cabin down. It's quite well documented. Not sure what the 5th gen is like.

[ZX10R NIN]

Sounds like the OP should be looking at a Kia Sorento/Hyundai Santa Fe.

[stevemcs]

strath44 said:

I do love a dramatic fleeting comment with zero substance.

Ok so are you saying that JD Power car surveying are wrong? Toyota Ranked well below industry standard for issues, Honda ranks fractionally above VW. However the CRV rated average and the Tiguan top of its class. Skoda is rated the 2nd best manufacturer for reliability in 2019.

I run various company cars and drive high mileages - initial cost v reliability v running cost over ownership VAG cars are highly consistent based on my experience.

To answer the OPs question yes I would buy a 2018/19 MY diesel over a 2020 MY hybrid electric if I were long term high mileaging it and I wouldn't be looking at a Honda or Toyota.

Finally if you want to buy something no older I would say than a year with as low miles as possible to maximise the warranty as this tend to be when any vehicle is most likely to have issues.

I work in service and guess which cars we see more of and what 15 year old car constantly passes MOT's. Do VW's have cambelts that need changing every 4 years ? does a CRV have a chain that never needs changing ? Do VW chains fail .... I'm sure we could argue the case for both VW and Honda however (just as you would argue) i wouldn't touch any modern VW. The Honda just works and is thoughtfully designed. Although on the Civic you do have to bleed the fuel filter through the passenger side footwell.

[Countdown]

strath44 said:

Ok so are you saying that JD Power car surveying are wrong? Toyota Ranked well below industry standard for issues, Honda ranks fractionally above VW. However the CRV rated average and the Tiguan top of its class. Skoda is rated the 2nd best manufacturer for reliability in 2019.

This survey? Where Peugeot are ranked top....?

In response to the OP - I've been looking at mid-sized SUVs as well. The Tiguan is a perfectly nice drive but it's surprisingly small. It's basically a Golf on stilts. With the parcel shelf down it managed just two full sized suitcases.

Personally I'd like the RAV4 but the interior/dashboard looks horrible. The CR-V looks much better all round. At the moment, for me, it's going to be either the CRV or the XC60.

[loskie]

How does a CVT Subaru Outback fit into your plans?

You want 4x4, suv, auto plus GOOD MPG. Maybe you want the impossible.

[ninjag]

Countdown said:

In response to the OP - I've been looking at mid-sized SUVs as well. The Tiguan is a perfectly nice drive but it's surprisingly small. It's basically a Golf on stilts. With the parcel shelf down it managed just two full sized suitcases.

That's not great, this is my XF Sportbrake about to be unloaded and there's two suitcases in there and also a mattress topper (top left white package). The rear seats aren't down as children were in it so it's just the boot. The CRV has more height in the boot due to being more square, although perhaps a touch less depth.