Arval company car scheme
Arval company car scheme
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Triumph Trollomite

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110 months

Thursday 9th January 2020
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I'm due to start a new role soon which comes with the option of a company car. Technically it's a salary sacrifice subsidised lease scheme using Arval

Has anyone got experience of this and how it works? My miles is between 20 to 30k a year but can and will drop significantly after a year.

I'm particularly interested in an EV option

Any advice greatly received

Scrump

23,930 posts

187 months

Thursday 9th January 2020
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My experience of such schemes is that you will be able to choose a car from the arval list. There may be company rules around the type of car you can and can’t have and there may be a limit on the monthly cost.
The cost for this car is made on salary sacrifice which means you pay before tax. It also means you will have to pay tax for benefit of kind of having the car. This BIK tax is based on the list price, CO2 and fuel type of the chosen vehicle. Look at Comcar website to work out what the tax would be for a particular car. The tax on EVs is very low over the next few years but if the BIK tax is less than the tax you would have paid on the salary sacrifice amount then your tax bill will be the higher amount.

Triumph Trollomite

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110 months

Thursday 9th January 2020
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I'd hoped as it was self funded it avoids BIK

I'll see what the options are once I start but if its classes as a company car for tax, EV will be the choice (ipace)

Scrump

23,930 posts

187 months

Thursday 9th January 2020
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Salary sacrifice means paid for with untaxed income, therefore BIK applies.

Triumph Trollomite

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Thursday 9th January 2020
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Cheers

All becomes clear once I know more about the scheme but a BIK calculator makes EV the most likely choice


Scrump

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187 months

Thursday 9th January 2020
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Just remember that if the BIK tax on the EV is less than the tax you would have paid on the salary sacrifice amount then you pay the higher amount. Relatively new rules so I have experience on how this is implemented. (Well I think that is the case]

CooperS

4,580 posts

248 months

Thursday 9th January 2020
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My company uses them. I'm awaiting my leaf 62+ to be delivered.

I get £600 per month. My scheme means I get the car, insurance, maintenance and consumables .

Upshot is I'm putting in another £40 per month to uplift my allowance for the car. Not to bad. A Tesla M3 would of been c.£300 extra.

Triumph Trollomite

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Thursday 9th January 2020
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A leaf costs 600 pcm?!

CooperS

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248 months

Friday 10th January 2020
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Haha yep. So the consumer PCP with £1000 in and haggling factor saw a £36k come in just under £525 per month. Then I'd have to put insurance, servicing and tyres aside so let's say that's another £130.

The ownership is all on me then, if I leave my company I have to keep a Leaf........ this way it's all sorted can do silly mileage without consequence and just hand back when I hit 60k miles ( I'll do that in just over 2 years)

CooperS

4,580 posts

248 months

Friday 10th January 2020
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Btw if you haven't already looked for me cas which seem good on the scheme are anything by

BMW
Nissan/ Peugeot group
Vauxhall

Unfortunately bad was (as I'd loved an ipace)

JAG
Volvo
Tesla
Audi

BopoWarls

137 posts

113 months

Friday 10th January 2020
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CooperS said:
My company uses them. I'm awaiting my leaf 62+ to be delivered.

I get £600 per month. My scheme means I get the car, insurance, maintenance and consumables .

Upshot is I'm putting in another £40 per month to uplift my allowance for the car. Not to bad. A Tesla M3 would of been c.£300 extra.
Not sure I understand this? Do you have to use all the £600 on a car, because surely paying £640 (with the stuff included above) is an incredibly terrible deal? Surely there are much better options to use your car scheme allowance or do you have to use Arval?

CooperS

4,580 posts

248 months

Friday 10th January 2020
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BopoWarls said:
CooperS said:
My company uses them. I'm awaiting my leaf 62+ to be delivered.

I get £600 per month. My scheme means I get the car, insurance, maintenance and consumables .

Upshot is I'm putting in another £40 per month to uplift my allowance for the car. Not to bad. A Tesla M3 would of been c.£300 extra.
Not sure I understand this? Do you have to use all the £600 on a car, because surely paying £640 (with the stuff included above) is an incredibly terrible deal? Surely there are much better options to use your car scheme allowance or do you have to use Arval?
Yep have to use Arval. Could of taken the money but after tax its c.£300 per month take home. So arguably I could of bought a banger and been up on the deal but as I do over 25k a year. I wish I did 5k because honestly I'd of got another lotus or tried out a newish mx5 as a fun car.

Even looked into these on the scheme but BIK is not kind on the lotus and the mx5 isn't as cheap as I want it when second hand a latest gen is c.£12k. plus it would kill me drive a lotus 120 motorway miles a day (did 40 for a time between Edinburgh and Glasgow).

Btw I don't have to use all of the money but get something cheaper like a Focus or Astra (even a fiesta) and you don't see much money come back and what you do will be taken up by hefty BIK unless you get a hybrid.

Tbh the Nissan is (but I think shouldn't be) a £36k car where I can do unlimited mileage and have all servicables paid and the way I look at it. Am I happy to pay £340 per month for a white goods car which will be used for everything..... Yep happy. Would I like my wife to green light the E-tron at an additional £460 maybe but then it's in effect me paying £760 to drive to work and I'm not that bothered.

Triumph Trollomite

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Tuesday 14th January 2020
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A tesla model 3 is 500pcm on ours with unlimited miles.

You are being shafted!!

CooperS

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Tuesday 14th January 2020
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Triumph Trollomite said:
A tesla model 3 is 500pcm on ours with unlimited miles.

You are being shafted!!
Do you mean a full serviced and maintained Tesla Model 3 with unlimited mileage with nothing upfront is £500 per month? That would be great value!

Triumph Trollomite

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Thursday 16th January 2020
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Alas not, and the restrictions from tesla is mega!

CooperS

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Thursday 16th January 2020
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Triumph Trollomite said:
Alas not, and the restrictions from tesla is mega!
Haha I was ready to cancel my Leaf otherwise!

Triumph Trollomite

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Friday 31st January 2020
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Works out 545 a month unlimited mileage over 3 years for a tesla m3p

1k excess on insurance but otherwise not half bad

TwigtheWonderkid

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179 months

Sunday 2nd February 2020
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Just remember, if getting on salary sacrifice, and death in service benefit will be based on your lower salary. And the lower figure is what will apply for any mortgage application.

Triumph Trollomite

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Sunday 2nd February 2020
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TwigtheWonderkid said:
Just remember, if getting on salary sacrifice, and death in service benefit will be based on your lower salary. And the lower figure is what will apply for any mortgage application.
Good point!

JackReacher

2,274 posts

244 months

Sunday 2nd February 2020
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I have an i3 company car through Arval, I give up some of my car cash allowance so effectively salary sacrifice but doesn't impact salary related benefits like pension, death in service etc.

From April when the car tax on electric vehicles drops to 0%, it will cost me £300 a month in lost net pay. That's fully funded (serviceing, tyres, insurance etc), unlimited mileage. Until then I have to pay a hefty amount of tax each month on top.

The comment above about optional remuneration rules is a good point, but actually EVs are exempt from those rules I believe, so there is a real tax advantage to EVs (from April)