Can hot hatch handle a lot of miles?
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Hi guys!
I'm a hot hatch newbie and i have some questions about them. I have owned AR MiTo Sports but it was more like a "warm hatch", didn't like it that much. It wasn't practical or exciting enough. So, i did sell it. Now i think that i wan't to reduce my cars from two to one. I have already sold my 4x4 and i will sell my old sports car too. My wife has volvo v60 cc for family hauler, so i can drive little bit more exciting. I was thinking a proper hot hatch. I prefer new car for easy service planning and quarantee. I'm thinking to keep this car for 4 years or so.
I drive almost 20 thousand miles in a year. It would be nice to have a 1 or 2 track day in a year. I also want to go to euro-road trip this year or next year (when it is possible). We have a real winter here but bigger problem is that we have a very bad roads. Can modern hot hatch handle that? Are they robust enough to handle bad roads constantly? Are they comfortable enough for long trips? What kind of MPG you see in day to day commute and more high speed touring? For comfort, i don't have that high expectations because my own car is now 26 years old and it is quite uncomfy even for 90's car...
Can you recommend some models for me for that kind of use? I have drooled Renault Megane R.S and Hyundai i30N fastback. Civic Type-R is too expensive and i fear that new Yaris GR 4 is also too pricey. VAG products are too dull and unreliable, so i don't want those. I have tested Golf GTI, other hot hatch are more rare and more difficult to do a test drive.
Megane R.S is a very interesting car. Looks superb and i like (on paper at least) it's handling characteristics a lot. For this kind of driving, with CUP-package or without? People does drive at track with R.S models quite often, so i think they are mechanically robust?
What about Hyundai? It seems to be a nice overall package. Design is not as nice as Megane's, but it has proper diff and adjustable dampers for same money. Should be a very balanced car+7 year warranty is a bonus.
Are there other options what i have missed?
I'm a hot hatch newbie and i have some questions about them. I have owned AR MiTo Sports but it was more like a "warm hatch", didn't like it that much. It wasn't practical or exciting enough. So, i did sell it. Now i think that i wan't to reduce my cars from two to one. I have already sold my 4x4 and i will sell my old sports car too. My wife has volvo v60 cc for family hauler, so i can drive little bit more exciting. I was thinking a proper hot hatch. I prefer new car for easy service planning and quarantee. I'm thinking to keep this car for 4 years or so.
I drive almost 20 thousand miles in a year. It would be nice to have a 1 or 2 track day in a year. I also want to go to euro-road trip this year or next year (when it is possible). We have a real winter here but bigger problem is that we have a very bad roads. Can modern hot hatch handle that? Are they robust enough to handle bad roads constantly? Are they comfortable enough for long trips? What kind of MPG you see in day to day commute and more high speed touring? For comfort, i don't have that high expectations because my own car is now 26 years old and it is quite uncomfy even for 90's car...
Can you recommend some models for me for that kind of use? I have drooled Renault Megane R.S and Hyundai i30N fastback. Civic Type-R is too expensive and i fear that new Yaris GR 4 is also too pricey. VAG products are too dull and unreliable, so i don't want those. I have tested Golf GTI, other hot hatch are more rare and more difficult to do a test drive.
Megane R.S is a very interesting car. Looks superb and i like (on paper at least) it's handling characteristics a lot. For this kind of driving, with CUP-package or without? People does drive at track with R.S models quite often, so i think they are mechanically robust?
What about Hyundai? It seems to be a nice overall package. Design is not as nice as Megane's, but it has proper diff and adjustable dampers for same money. Should be a very balanced car+7 year warranty is a bonus.
Are there other options what i have missed?
s m said:
Why don’t you go for a GT86?
Well, it is always an option. It is much more expensive (in here) but i can always import one from Germany. Good thing is that it is Toyota/Subaru after all, so it is easy to maintain even then when it is used. And yeah, i love that car.However, hot hatch would be more easier to live in winter. You need to concentrate more when you drive GT86 in icy conditions or when there is like 5 inch snow in the ground. And infortainment is not that great, but it is easy to replace. Of course, it is better than now, because i have a radio on my car at the moment...
I drive a Seat Leon Cupra ST with a DSG gearbox and do 20 thousand miles a year.
Generally average 24-28mpg on an 80 mile round trip commute and then some mileage around that for the school run.
Things to look out for and budget for more often are tyres, brakes and engine oil, as well as scheduled major options such as diff oil changes and gearbox oil changes.
Notched up 61,000 miles so far personally, just make sure that you get yourself switched over to variable / long life servicing as visiting the dealers every six months gets quite tiresome and expensive....
Generally average 24-28mpg on an 80 mile round trip commute and then some mileage around that for the school run.
Things to look out for and budget for more often are tyres, brakes and engine oil, as well as scheduled major options such as diff oil changes and gearbox oil changes.
Notched up 61,000 miles so far personally, just make sure that you get yourself switched over to variable / long life servicing as visiting the dealers every six months gets quite tiresome and expensive....
My Golf 7.5 R sees 2,000 miles a month, and to be honest it's absolutely fine, especially with the DCC dampers.
My long term average MPG is sitting at 38.6, but my long motorway commute flatters it. While it'll do over 40 on a run, it drops horribly in urban traffic.
I did a 700 mile stint in a single day a couple of months ago, and I had no issues at all at the end of the trip. Seat was nicely supportive and the adaptive cruise helped a lot too
My long term average MPG is sitting at 38.6, but my long motorway commute flatters it. While it'll do over 40 on a run, it drops horribly in urban traffic.
I did a 700 mile stint in a single day a couple of months ago, and I had no issues at all at the end of the trip. Seat was nicely supportive and the adaptive cruise helped a lot too
LasseV said:
Hi guys!
I drive almost 20 thousand miles in a year. ...
Can you recommend some models for me for that kind of use? I have drooled Renault Megane R.S and Hyundai i30N fastback. Civic Type-R is too expensive and i fear that new Yaris GR 4 is also too pricey. VAG products are too dull and unreliable, so i don't want those. I have tested Golf GTI, other hot hatch are more rare and more difficult to do a test drive.
Megane R.S is a very interesting car. Looks superb and i like (on paper at least) it's handling characteristics a lot. For this kind of driving, with CUP-package or without? People does drive at track with R.S models quite often, so i think they are mechanically robust?
What about Hyundai? It seems to be a nice overall package. Design is not as nice as Megane's, but it has proper diff and adjustable dampers for same money. Should be a very balanced car+7 year warranty is a bonus.
Are there other options what i have missed?
Are you me?? I do around 20-25 and have been lusting an RS280 for nearly a year. Took one for a drive last year and they are lovely cars, but they are hungry for petrol. I think if you put it in comfort/eco though it reduces BHP to 180 or so which brings MPG back if thats what you are worried about.I drive almost 20 thousand miles in a year. ...
Can you recommend some models for me for that kind of use? I have drooled Renault Megane R.S and Hyundai i30N fastback. Civic Type-R is too expensive and i fear that new Yaris GR 4 is also too pricey. VAG products are too dull and unreliable, so i don't want those. I have tested Golf GTI, other hot hatch are more rare and more difficult to do a test drive.
Megane R.S is a very interesting car. Looks superb and i like (on paper at least) it's handling characteristics a lot. For this kind of driving, with CUP-package or without? People does drive at track with R.S models quite often, so i think they are mechanically robust?
What about Hyundai? It seems to be a nice overall package. Design is not as nice as Megane's, but it has proper diff and adjustable dampers for same money. Should be a very balanced car+7 year warranty is a bonus.
Are there other options what i have missed?
I30N is cheaper but as you say not as nice looking. Its a better performing car though in terms of speed, acceleration and braking.
Ignore the GT86 they are far too slow and far too petrol hungry.
If you are anything like me Id go for the Renault. Its one of the best looking hatches Ive ever seen and much more interesting that everyday Leons or Golfs
legless said:
My Golf 7.5 R sees 2,000 miles a month, and to be honest it's absolutely fine, especially with the DCC dampers.
My long term average MPG is sitting at 38.6, but my long motorway commute flatters it. While it'll do over 40 on a run, it drops horribly in urban traffic.
I did a 700 mile stint in a single day a couple of months ago, and I had no issues at all at the end of the trip. Seat was nicely supportive and the adaptive cruise helped a lot too
Its a Volkswagen GOLF after all...My long term average MPG is sitting at 38.6, but my long motorway commute flatters it. While it'll do over 40 on a run, it drops horribly in urban traffic.
I did a 700 mile stint in a single day a couple of months ago, and I had no issues at all at the end of the trip. Seat was nicely supportive and the adaptive cruise helped a lot too
ANY modern day hot hatch will be fine for mile after mile after mile after mile.
I was doing between 1,200-2,000 a month in my M140i so in 3 years I'd put near enough £50k on the car.
No issues as you'd expect on a brand new year but the more mileage meant more servicing, more punctures and the car felt less special.
The M140i probably more a small grand tourer than a hot hatch however.
No issues as you'd expect on a brand new year but the more mileage meant more servicing, more punctures and the car felt less special.
The M140i probably more a small grand tourer than a hot hatch however.
Weezywee said:
Are you me??
Ignore the GT86 they are far too slow and far too petrol hungry.
If you are anything like me Id go for the Renault. Its one of the best looking hatches Ive ever seen and much more interesting that everyday Leons or Golfs
I don't know. Are you tall, handsome, powerfully built director-type? Ignore the GT86 they are far too slow and far too petrol hungry.
If you are anything like me Id go for the Renault. Its one of the best looking hatches Ive ever seen and much more interesting that everyday Leons or Golfs
GT86 is fast enough for me and it actually gets best MPG figures in real life. Especially in highway driving it is very efficient, However, i have owned 6 years 2+2 seater sports car so i could try something different. Maybe.
So Renault has eco-mode? Does it actually do enything? And yes, i agree with you, it is the most interesting hot hatch. I don't know why, it just is. I need to test drive it. I believe it is faster than i30N but that's not important for me, both are more than fast enough. Yes, maybe Hyundai is more complete package, and i actually like Fastback bodystyle quite a lot. Not completely sold to it, but definetly interesting car.
Cupra Leon is one option, but it is more expensive than Hyundai and duller than both. So, little bit of meh.
lord trumpton said:
s m said:
Why don’t you go for a GT86?
Probably because its slow and not very hotPlus if he has another car for load carrying seemed like a good chance to take the plunge
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