2015 mondeo automatic
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Hi, considering a very sensible Mondeo Estate, it is a 1.5 ecoboost auto in a decent spec, I need the space but don't do enough miles to warrant a diesel, and I would like an auto with a lot of toys. Will this car have the dreaded powershift box or is it a more traditional automatic? I have read the powershift has issues and I am really looking for a car to cover about 8k miles a year relatively trouble free. Never owned a newer Ford but the estate looks cavernous, looks good and seems well received and well equipped in titanium spec and above.
Edited by biggbn on Sunday 16th May 12:04
https://media.ford.com/content/dam/fordmedia/Europ...
Says it's the 6F35 Automatic on those (page 8).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM-Ford_6-speed_auto... / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_6T40_transmission
Says it's the 6F35 Automatic on those (page 8).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM-Ford_6-speed_auto... / https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GM_6T40_transmission
biggbn said:
Hi, considering a very sensible Mondeo Estate, it is a 1.5 ecoboost auto in a decent spec, I need the space but don't do enough miles to warrant a diesel, and I would like an auto with a lot of toys. Will this car have the dreaded powershift box or is it a more traditional automatic? I have read the powershift has issues and I am really looking for a car to cover about 8k miles a year relatively trouble free. Never owned a newer Ford but the estate looks cavernous, looks good and seems well received a well selected in titanium spec.
There's nothing wrong with the Powershift box, like all DSG gearboxes it needs to be serviced every 40k if this is done then you'll have no issues.ZX10R NIN said:
biggbn said:
Hi, considering a very sensible Mondeo Estate, it is a 1.5 ecoboost auto in a decent spec, I need the space but don't do enough miles to warrant a diesel, and I would like an auto with a lot of toys. Will this car have the dreaded powershift box or is it a more traditional automatic? I have read the powershift has issues and I am really looking for a car to cover about 8k miles a year relatively trouble free. Never owned a newer Ford but the estate looks cavernous, looks good and seems well received a well selected in titanium spec.
There's nothing wrong with the Powershift box, like all DSG gearboxes it needs to be serviced every 40k if this is done then you'll have no issues.This is in no small part why Ford have dropped it!
Although you are correct, it *is* like all DSG boxes...they all have issues!
Fastdruid said:
Nonsense. Firstly its every 37.5k and plenty of people have issues regardless of if serviced regularly.
This is in no small part why Ford have dropped it!
Although you are correct, it *is* like all DSG boxes...they all have issues!
I didn't say people haven't had issues (excuse me for rounding up This is in no small part why Ford have dropped it!
Although you are correct, it *is* like all DSG boxes...they all have issues!
) I've supplied a fair few of these & have one as my daily (I've had mine changed & will do every 30k) with the number sold vs issues it wouldn't stop me buying one.
ZX10R NIN said:
Fastdruid said:
Nonsense. Firstly its every 37.5k and plenty of people have issues regardless of if serviced regularly.
This is in no small part why Ford have dropped it!
Although you are correct, it *is* like all DSG boxes...they all have issues!
I didn't say people haven't had issues (excuse me for rounding up This is in no small part why Ford have dropped it!
Although you are correct, it *is* like all DSG boxes...they all have issues!
) I've supplied a fair few of these & have one as my daily (I've had mine changed & will do every 30k) with the number sold vs issues it wouldn't stop me buying one.
t in the Mondeo is *better* than the Focus/Fiesta one (which has cost Ford something like 2-3B in warranty claims) which does taint the Mondeo, but its still not a good gearbox. The issue for me is that you have to add on a regular expensive service and *if* you have a problem it will be catastrophically expensive. Yes the percentages may be low but to put it another way, I've *never* read about a manual gearbox failure on them (although I'm sure it does happen), it's a regular thing to read about powers
t failures. That said I refuse to have an auto anyway so their unreliability is the icing on the cake.
Fastdruid said:
stevemcs said:
Our local gearbox specialist says every 10k for the oil service, they say its an evil gearbox.
The good news then is that the 2015 1.5T doesn't have it! 
Yep, both the 1.5 and 2.0 Ecoboost has the auto box (A6) .
See confirmation of gearbox specification below from the MK5 brochure I have on file.
We bought a 2.0 Ecoboost Estate Titanium X + (loads of extra too) with 8k on the clock and have put on a further 33k miles since 2016. Drives and handles pretty good for a 2t car, really comfortable and quiet on Mways, spacious rear seats / perfect for the kids car seats, huge boot to store all our kid's junk, and been faultless apart from recently replacing a battery. I will be sad to sell up next year to buy our new and final petrol car.
See confirmation of gearbox specification below from the MK5 brochure I have on file.
We bought a 2.0 Ecoboost Estate Titanium X + (loads of extra too) with 8k on the clock and have put on a further 33k miles since 2016. Drives and handles pretty good for a 2t car, really comfortable and quiet on Mways, spacious rear seats / perfect for the kids car seats, huge boot to store all our kid's junk, and been faultless apart from recently replacing a battery. I will be sad to sell up next year to buy our new and final petrol car.
chip* said:
We bought a 2.0 Ecoboost Estate Titanium X + (loads of extra too) with 8k on the clock and have put on a further 33k miles since 2016... ...been faultless apart from recently replacing a battery.
Apologies for going off topic, however my 2014 Mk4.5 mondeo (1.6D manual though) also required an expensive battery before it was 6 years old. I'd hoped that mainly long journeys and not using stop-start would have avoided that but not so!Interested to know if you have/use stop-start - and whether the smart charging system now keeps your new battery well charged (12.6v etc). Despite doing a new battery recode and the smart changing occasionally going up to 14.8v it seems to charge at a high rate only when it wants - and therefore the resting charge (cigarette plug in one but correlates with multi-meter) only ever shows around 12.2/12.3v.
Very interested to know other's experiences of smart charging patterns.
now back on topic, great cars Mondeo's - I only know manuals and seems a shame to change auto gearbox oil every 37.5/40k. But no worse than cars requiring cambelt or fuel filter changes at set frequencies. And sticking to service schedule will help retain future resale value or ease of re-sale.
C-J said:
Apologies for going off topic, however my 2014 Mk4.5 mondeo (1.6D manual though) also required an expensive battery before it was 6 years old. I'd hoped that mainly long journeys and not using stop-start would have avoided that but not so!
We do use the start/stop, and I guess 70% of our journeys are short trips (sub 5 miles) which probably didn't help with the battery longevity.We also increased the number of school days for our girl from 3 to 4 days since Jan, so increasing the number of school runs (2.5 miles each way). Plus, my wife tend to stop off on the way back for shopping which mean more short trips. I do the pick up using my GT3/Exige (depending on the weather) otherwise I am sure the Mondeo's battery would have given up earlier!
Since the battery gave up last month, I actually bought a Ctek comfort connector (not fitted yet!) for the Mondeo so it can be put on trickle charged overnight.
cheers Chip - thanks for sharing.
Interesting... I have also used a CTEK (MXS 5.0) a few times, just to force it back to 12.7ishV, then do a reset to tell the car it is a 'new' battery.
The first time it charged up fine. However the 2nd time the CTEK cut-out mid charge - not wanting to damage anything I halted proceedings and next journey everything was charging normally (i.e. occasionally).
On the 3rd occasion I took the battery fully out & charged off-vehicle - that took 6 hours or so, all seemed to go fine with CTEK finishing the cycle and battery showed 12.8 (probably just the surface charge?) and held that for 4 days until i put it back onto the vehicle and reset. Then next journeys the smart system did very little charging and we were soon back down to typically 12.2 v indicated at rest due to minimal charging.
This may be the modern systems working properly - it just doesn't seem right to be as I'm used to old school and batteries being charged to hold 12.6ish all the time.
Hopefully you don't have the on-vehicle CTEK charging issue that I had - and I'd love to hear what charge your reconditioned battery shows after a few journeys?
Do you have a cigarette lighter volt indicator to see what level of charge the smart system is pushing in at different parts of the journey - about £5 and I'm very happy to cover the cost if you'd like to experiment and could share what you see!
Interesting... I have also used a CTEK (MXS 5.0) a few times, just to force it back to 12.7ishV, then do a reset to tell the car it is a 'new' battery.
The first time it charged up fine. However the 2nd time the CTEK cut-out mid charge - not wanting to damage anything I halted proceedings and next journey everything was charging normally (i.e. occasionally).
On the 3rd occasion I took the battery fully out & charged off-vehicle - that took 6 hours or so, all seemed to go fine with CTEK finishing the cycle and battery showed 12.8 (probably just the surface charge?) and held that for 4 days until i put it back onto the vehicle and reset. Then next journeys the smart system did very little charging and we were soon back down to typically 12.2 v indicated at rest due to minimal charging.
This may be the modern systems working properly - it just doesn't seem right to be as I'm used to old school and batteries being charged to hold 12.6ish all the time.
Hopefully you don't have the on-vehicle CTEK charging issue that I had - and I'd love to hear what charge your reconditioned battery shows after a few journeys?
Do you have a cigarette lighter volt indicator to see what level of charge the smart system is pushing in at different parts of the journey - about £5 and I'm very happy to cover the cost if you'd like to experiment and could share what you see!
On the OP's main topic, other then a 1 Powershift very short test drive (which was fine) then sorry no experiences to share.
Whilst I have the older Mk4.5 1.6D manual Mondeo which is not going to win any drag races, I've found it fine. One warmed up it has enough power for most normal driving, and dropping a couple of cogs helps A-road overtaking if needed.
Presumably you have decided you need a manual - I only ask as Mrs C-J has hardly driven either big cars or manuals ever - but has taken to this just fine. I was expecting far more complaints!
Ps. She even takes it into the edges of London - however I've just realized that a 7 year old £20 RFL, low CO2 engine is not clean enough (Euro 5 not 6) to meet the enlarged ULEZ requirements. Hopefully your 2015 is Mk5 and therefore ok if other cities are taking this approach.
Whilst I have the older Mk4.5 1.6D manual Mondeo which is not going to win any drag races, I've found it fine. One warmed up it has enough power for most normal driving, and dropping a couple of cogs helps A-road overtaking if needed.
Presumably you have decided you need a manual - I only ask as Mrs C-J has hardly driven either big cars or manuals ever - but has taken to this just fine. I was expecting far more complaints!
Ps. She even takes it into the edges of London - however I've just realized that a 7 year old £20 RFL, low CO2 engine is not clean enough (Euro 5 not 6) to meet the enlarged ULEZ requirements. Hopefully your 2015 is Mk5 and therefore ok if other cities are taking this approach.
CJ
Admittedly, I have never checked on the Mondeo battery condition, but email me (see profile) the voltmeter to buy as I am happy to report back the voltage reading along different stage of my journey. Ironically, the oldest car in the household ( 2005 GT3) is the only car with a battery voltage display on the dash, and it always read just under 14v at start up (permanently connected to the ctek when not driven).
(Fyi, I use Ctek xs3600 on the Exige, and Ctek MXS 3.6 (newer version of Ctek xs3600) on the GT3, and both are directly connected to the battery using the comfort connector. I never check the voltage, but just relied on the green light which told me the battery was fully charged. I used to use the cigarette power adapter on the Exige, but connection was intermittent due to the shoddy Lotus socket!! I plan the same direct battery arrangement for the Mondeo once I fit the comfort connector using the MXS 3.6.)
Admittedly, I have never checked on the Mondeo battery condition, but email me (see profile) the voltmeter to buy as I am happy to report back the voltage reading along different stage of my journey. Ironically, the oldest car in the household ( 2005 GT3) is the only car with a battery voltage display on the dash, and it always read just under 14v at start up (permanently connected to the ctek when not driven).
(Fyi, I use Ctek xs3600 on the Exige, and Ctek MXS 3.6 (newer version of Ctek xs3600) on the GT3, and both are directly connected to the battery using the comfort connector. I never check the voltage, but just relied on the green light which told me the battery was fully charged. I used to use the cigarette power adapter on the Exige, but connection was intermittent due to the shoddy Lotus socket!! I plan the same direct battery arrangement for the Mondeo once I fit the comfort connector using the MXS 3.6.)
Edited by chip* on Monday 17th May 21:23
Edited by chip* on Monday 17th May 21:24
Fastdruid said:
The issue for me is that you have to add on a regular expensive service and *if* you have a problem it will be catastrophically expensive. Yes the percentages may be low but to put it another way, I've *never* read about a manual gearbox failure on them (although I'm sure it does happen), it's a regular thing to read about powerst failures.
That said I refuse to have an auto anyway so their unreliability is the icing on the cake.
I'm in the Mondeo Mk4 group on FB, someone has just posted "turbine speed sensor gone inside the gearbox" - £1582.79t failures. That said I refuse to have an auto anyway so their unreliability is the icing on the cake.
For s
ts and giggles I threw up a poll on it. So far 12.5% of powershift owners have needed their gearbox fixing vs 1.6% for the manual.... Oh and that 1.6% turned out to actually be a new clutch+dmf needed. Now the numbers are small overall but that's pretty f
king st regardless of how you look at it and doesn't of course include those who binned it in disgust after it threw a very big bill. Gassing Station | Car Buying | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff