Avoid keighley altogether or better due dilligence?
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Car hunting just now and seen a decent looking car at a dealer just the next street down from the infamous place in keighley.
I dont know if I can name a place on here asking for advice not actually offering any feedback, but what sort of due dilligence should I be looking at before buying from somewhere? I dont know if I am being daft but the entire area gets a bad rep just from 1 dealer.
I suppose every dealer I look at I should be looking up the directors history from companies house?
I hate dealing with car dealers I would much rather buy privately but there isnt much choice around.
Lokking at cars like this http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2021042919...
I dont know if I can name a place on here asking for advice not actually offering any feedback, but what sort of due dilligence should I be looking at before buying from somewhere? I dont know if I am being daft but the entire area gets a bad rep just from 1 dealer.
I suppose every dealer I look at I should be looking up the directors history from companies house?
I hate dealing with car dealers I would much rather buy privately but there isnt much choice around.
Lokking at cars like this http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2021042919...
I've actually bought a car off of the place you're talking about, the car turned out to be a very good one but doing the deal itself was a bit protracted but we got there.
Buy the car on condition the dealer is there to help/hinder you getting to a good car.
Do a VCheck & do your due diligence, I never checkout the dealer because in truth their history is irrelevant it's the car's condition/history that's important even main dealers sell pups.
Buy the car on condition the dealer is there to help/hinder you getting to a good car.
Do a VCheck & do your due diligence, I never checkout the dealer because in truth their history is irrelevant it's the car's condition/history that's important even main dealers sell pups.
dmsims said:
Beg, borrow or buy a Paint thickness tester
I have one from when I worked in the paint industry and they pay for themselves many times over.
Some dealers try and hide a cars past and some may not even know!
What’s a good make of paint thickness tester? And what are you looking for when using one? Consistency of the paint thickness over the whole car or across each individual panel? I have one from when I worked in the paint industry and they pay for themselves many times over.
Some dealers try and hide a cars past and some may not even know!
Not sure of a good make.
But I know one is definitely invaluable, wouldn’t have bought my current car if I had used one when buying
I only found out as I went to claim on Fords 10 year paint warranty and the Ford Bodyshop said no go as they could tell the car had been painted.
There were looking at paint thickness per panel, in different areas, the bodyshop knew what paint thickness the car should have came with.
He showed me that a HPI clear car had in fact had a repainted front passenger wing, I suspect a pattern part as I had issues fitting genuine Ford mud-flaps. A repainted front passenger door (I suspect rear as well, though not tested at the time. A repainted rear quarter drivers side and rear drivers door.
From that evidence appears to have been in a fairly hefty shunt, not declared on insurance!
I also think this would be a good way to ensure even nearly new cars weren’t damaged/repaired in transit.
But I know one is definitely invaluable, wouldn’t have bought my current car if I had used one when buying
I only found out as I went to claim on Fords 10 year paint warranty and the Ford Bodyshop said no go as they could tell the car had been painted.
There were looking at paint thickness per panel, in different areas, the bodyshop knew what paint thickness the car should have came with.
He showed me that a HPI clear car had in fact had a repainted front passenger wing, I suspect a pattern part as I had issues fitting genuine Ford mud-flaps. A repainted front passenger door (I suspect rear as well, though not tested at the time. A repainted rear quarter drivers side and rear drivers door.
From that evidence appears to have been in a fairly hefty shunt, not declared on insurance!
I also think this would be a good way to ensure even nearly new cars weren’t damaged/repaired in transit.
OldGermanHeaps said:
Car hunting just now and seen a decent looking car at a dealer just the next street down from the infamous place in keighley.
I dont know if I can name a place on here asking for advice not actually offering any feedback, but what sort of due dilligence should I be looking at before buying from somewhere? I dont know if I am being daft but the entire area gets a bad rep just from 1 dealer.
I suppose every dealer I look at I should be looking up the directors history from companies house?
I hate dealing with car dealers I would much rather buy privately but there isnt much choice around.
Lokking at cars like this http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2021042919...
My friend owns that garage, he's a PHer as well and I've bought cars from him, it's a genuine and straight business. I dont know if I can name a place on here asking for advice not actually offering any feedback, but what sort of due dilligence should I be looking at before buying from somewhere? I dont know if I am being daft but the entire area gets a bad rep just from 1 dealer.
I suppose every dealer I look at I should be looking up the directors history from companies house?
I hate dealing with car dealers I would much rather buy privately but there isnt much choice around.
Lokking at cars like this http://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/2021042919...
The issue is the infamous one and it is not fair to tar every other dealer within a 5 mile radius with the same brush.
I would avoid the infamous one, whatever it was they were selling or however good the car actually was. It is highly unlikely they would have the only one in the Country of any car I would consider buying.
However, the principle of it’s the car your buying and do your diligence on that, rather than the bloke selling it, is reasonable.
I would avoid the infamous one, whatever it was they were selling or however good the car actually was. It is highly unlikely they would have the only one in the Country of any car I would consider buying.
However, the principle of it’s the car your buying and do your diligence on that, rather than the bloke selling it, is reasonable.
BigFatWombat said:
What’s a good make of paint thickness tester? And what are you looking for when using one? Consistency of the paint thickness over the whole car or across each individual panel?
I normally put the PTG on the roof get the reading from there as the roof is one area that's rarely repainted then just read the other panels.BigFatWombat said:
What’s a good make of paint thickness tester? And what are you looking for when using one? Consistency of the paint thickness over the whole car or across each individual panel?
In short, yes you are looking for consistency across individual panels and indeed the whole car.By consistent I would say a new BMW for example will have readings between 90-110 microns.
Typically a repainted panel will have more paint on it as a painter in a bodyshop won't be able to lay paint down on a panel as thinly or evenly as a robot in the factory.
Cheers,
Chris
Wills2 said:
My friend owns that garage, he's a PHer as well and I've bought cars from him, it's a genuine and straight business.
That is good news, I am about 200 miles away so dont know the area, just keighley rings alarm bells a d kt looks like its only a few hundred meters down the road from the notorious place, I just wasnt sure if they were connected. Going to phone tomorrow and arrange a viewing somewhere between monday and wednesday, down in durham on a short holiday so thats as good an opportunity as any. Graham has been in touch already, I am guessing he has read this thread. I do feel for any other car dealers in keighley, the name of that area is mud. I was having quiet doubts to myself, showed the autotrader ad to a mechanic friend, he looked at the car, thought it was worth a look until he spotted keighly and without me mentioning my doubts he said keighley, nah dont waste your time mate. Got to wonder jow much business the honest guys are losing because of the crooks.
Typically just got offered a very nice gts from someone I know locally that is tempting, but if the hybrid numbers are anywhere near accurate I reckon the hybrid could easily save 10 grand in fuel and road tax over 4 years and its 4 years newer than the gts so pcm 4 instead of pcm 3 and all the facelift benefits. The gts is 5 grand cheaper and 40000 miles less though.
Anyone any real life experience of the e-hybrid cayenne?
Typically just got offered a very nice gts from someone I know locally that is tempting, but if the hybrid numbers are anywhere near accurate I reckon the hybrid could easily save 10 grand in fuel and road tax over 4 years and its 4 years newer than the gts so pcm 4 instead of pcm 3 and all the facelift benefits. The gts is 5 grand cheaper and 40000 miles less though.
Anyone any real life experience of the e-hybrid cayenne?
BigFatWombat said:
dmsims said:
Beg, borrow or buy a Paint thickness tester
I have one from when I worked in the paint industry and they pay for themselves many times over.
Some dealers try and hide a cars past and some may not even know!
What’s a good make of paint thickness tester? And what are you looking for when using one? Consistency of the paint thickness over the whole car or across each individual panel? I have one from when I worked in the paint industry and they pay for themselves many times over.
Some dealers try and hide a cars past and some may not even know!
I have that one, I used to use it to measure removal rates when rotary polishing, it has been consistent and reliable for 5 years using it, but I havent used it in the last 4 years as due to my business going mental and kids taking a lot of time I have lost all interest in how my cars look.
I am worried that when I dig it out its hiding place the batteries might have leaked in it though.
New car, new beauty regime though. Is 9 a good age to teach machine polishing?
Edited by OldGermanHeaps on Sunday 23 May 23:33
OldGermanHeaps said:
Graham has been in touch already, I am guessing he has read this thread. I do feel for any other car dealers in keighley, the name of that area is mud. I was having quiet doubts to myself, showed the autotrader ad to a mechanic friend, he looked at the car, thought it was worth a look until he spotted keighly and without me mentioning my doubts he said keighley, nah dont waste your time mate. Got to wonder jow much business the honest guys are losing because of the crooks.
Typically just got offered a very nice gts from someone I know locally that is tempting, but if the hybrid numbers are anywhere near accurate I reckon the hybrid could easily save 10 grand in fuel and road tax over 4 years and its 4 years newer than the gts so pcm 4 instead of pcm 3 and all the facelift benefits. The gts is 5 grand cheaper and 40000 miles less though.
Anyone any real life experience of the e-hybrid cayenne?
Real world 25-35mpg in mixed driving, in my experience which is decent for a 2 ton petrol SUV.Typically just got offered a very nice gts from someone I know locally that is tempting, but if the hybrid numbers are anywhere near accurate I reckon the hybrid could easily save 10 grand in fuel and road tax over 4 years and its 4 years newer than the gts so pcm 4 instead of pcm 3 and all the facelift benefits. The gts is 5 grand cheaper and 40000 miles less though.
Anyone any real life experience of the e-hybrid cayenne?
dmsims said:
Beg, borrow or buy a Paint thickness tester
I have one from when I worked in the paint industry and they pay for themselves many times over.
Some dealers try and hide a cars past and some may not even know!
A car "having had paint" isn't automatically a car with history, cars get bumped in car parks have stone chips and grazes that's not a "history" if you want to look after your car you'll have stuff mended and painted.I have one from when I worked in the paint industry and they pay for themselves many times over.
Some dealers try and hide a cars past and some may not even know!
Loads of car proud people will have the front end done it doesn't mean it's been in a heavy crash, going around rejecting cars on the basis of a paint depth gauge seems very strange, especially if you're looking at cars like the OP that have done 120k miles.
Wills2 said:
dmsims said:
Beg, borrow or buy a Paint thickness tester
I have one from when I worked in the paint industry and they pay for themselves many times over.
Some dealers try and hide a cars past and some may not even know!
A car "having had paint" isn't automatically a car with history, cars get bumped in car parks have stone chips and grazes that's not a "history" if you want to look after your car you'll have stuff mended and painted.I have one from when I worked in the paint industry and they pay for themselves many times over.
Some dealers try and hide a cars past and some may not even know!
Loads of car proud people will have the front end done it doesn't mean it's been in a heavy crash, going around rejecting cars on the basis of a paint depth gauge seems very strange, especially if you're looking at cars like the OP that have done 120k miles.
However if you were say looking at a 964 Turbo with low mileage at an OPC they were very keen for me to give them the evidence that the entire front end, doors and roof had been painted
Edited by dmsims on Monday 24th May 14:44
Thats where a ptg comes into its own, a good eye can spot when a panel has had paint, but a ptg can determine the difference between a cosmetically refinished panel and something with a lot of filler.
120k means f
k all, I have personally ran 5 cars and vans from 0 to 110k to 140k without anything but a bit of pdr and stone chip touch up.
I bought a trafic with 205k on it on its original paint, and never added any damage until 240k when a window licker hit it while parked and put a grands worth of damage on it.
You can see that one in its pre damage condition on s01e01 of itvs The Loch
120k means f
k all, I have personally ran 5 cars and vans from 0 to 110k to 140k without anything but a bit of pdr and stone chip touch up.I bought a trafic with 205k on it on its original paint, and never added any damage until 240k when a window licker hit it while parked and put a grands worth of damage on it.
You can see that one in its pre damage condition on s01e01 of itvs The Loch
Edited by OldGermanHeaps on Monday 24th May 14:24
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