M2 OG vs 987.2S vs Z4M Coupe
Discussion
So after a lot of back and forth, having previously posted a thread on which would most likely hold their value long term (4 years plus)
(R8 Gen 1 Manual / Cayman R / F-Type Gen 1 S / M2 OG) - I've had to re-look at whats affordable to buy - current market still seems very high, and everyone asking for what seems to be silly prices, and the same cars on sale for the last 4-6 months.
So shortlist is now this.
M2 OG vs 987.2S vs Z4M Coupe
Yes I know - I should drive them all and see which I like best. Which I will be doing - and will probably buy based on that.
But out these three cars - what does everyone think in terms of which will be the most iconic / desirable / valuable in lets say 20 years time. (yes potential forever car - bar any incidents). I know this is all just opinions - but whats your argument for each. and which would u buy as a forever car.
(R8 Gen 1 Manual / Cayman R / F-Type Gen 1 S / M2 OG) - I've had to re-look at whats affordable to buy - current market still seems very high, and everyone asking for what seems to be silly prices, and the same cars on sale for the last 4-6 months.
So shortlist is now this.
M2 OG vs 987.2S vs Z4M Coupe
Yes I know - I should drive them all and see which I like best. Which I will be doing - and will probably buy based on that.
But out these three cars - what does everyone think in terms of which will be the most iconic / desirable / valuable in lets say 20 years time. (yes potential forever car - bar any incidents). I know this is all just opinions - but whats your argument for each. and which would u buy as a forever car.
shuebc said:
So shortlist is now this.
M2 OG vs 987.2S vs Z4M Coupe
Out of those, I'd pick the Cayman S unless you need the rear seats of the M2. It's the most rewarding driving experience between those two. Personally I wouldn't shortlist the Z4M. Engine aside the other two cars do everything better IMO.M2 OG vs 987.2S vs Z4M Coupe
But out these three cars - what does everyone think in terms of which will be the most iconic / desirable / valuable in lets say 20 years time. (yes potential forever car - bar any incidents).
Two of those cars are mass market produced and sold in huge numbers globally
One of them is a low number oddball .. 4587 worldwide and only 592 in the U.K.
My money would be on the Z4M Coupe it was only produced for 2 years, there are no updates, no other versions, it’s a real rare car
Two of those cars are mass market produced and sold in huge numbers globally
One of them is a low number oddball .. 4587 worldwide and only 592 in the U.K.
My money would be on the Z4M Coupe it was only produced for 2 years, there are no updates, no other versions, it’s a real rare car
Edited by Earthdweller on Friday 14th January 08:31
I’ve driven them all - owned a Spyder, and a z4m coupe.
The Porsche is the best overall - but I would also be happy with the m2.
Would say budget for an exhaust on the Porsche - they come alive with a decent set up
The z4 is massively flawed, and very disappointing overall. Engine included
The Porsche is the best overall - but I would also be happy with the m2.
Would say budget for an exhaust on the Porsche - they come alive with a decent set up
The z4 is massively flawed, and very disappointing overall. Engine included
I owned a Z4M coupe for 4 years. Bought it for £18k and sold it in 2019 for £22k. Since then the prices for a similar car don't seem to have increased all that much, so given the current climate I'd say they're still a good buy. Whilst they may not increase further in value, your money is probably pretty safe in one.
Having said that, you definitely need to drive all three to see which you prefer. The Z4M is a very special car, far more so than the other two in my opinion. It's rare, looks like nothing else on the road and has an incredible engine, but it is let down by its chassis. It's too stiff for UK B-roads and in standard form requires a lot of commitment to get the back end moving. Modest suspension upgrades and a good geo set up make a huge difference but, whilst I've not driven a Cayman, the consensus suggests the Porsche is a much better set up car. I guess it comes down to what you're after.
Just to add, my Z4M was extremely reliable, and other than servicing being quite pricey for the Inspection 1 & 2, running costs were quite reasonable.
Good luck with the search.
Having said that, you definitely need to drive all three to see which you prefer. The Z4M is a very special car, far more so than the other two in my opinion. It's rare, looks like nothing else on the road and has an incredible engine, but it is let down by its chassis. It's too stiff for UK B-roads and in standard form requires a lot of commitment to get the back end moving. Modest suspension upgrades and a good geo set up make a huge difference but, whilst I've not driven a Cayman, the consensus suggests the Porsche is a much better set up car. I guess it comes down to what you're after.
Just to add, my Z4M was extremely reliable, and other than servicing being quite pricey for the Inspection 1 & 2, running costs were quite reasonable.
Good luck with the search.
clowesy said:
I owned a Z4M coupe for 4 years. Bought it for £18k and sold it in 2019 for £22k. Since then the prices for a similar car don't seem to have increased all that much, so given the current climate I'd say they're still a good buy. Whilst they may not increase further in value, your money is probably pretty safe in one.
Having said that, you definitely need to drive all three to see which you prefer. The Z4M is a very special car, far more so than the other two in my opinion. It's rare, looks like nothing else on the road and has an incredible engine, but it is let down by its chassis. It's too stiff for UK B-roads and in standard form requires a lot of commitment to get the back end moving. Modest suspension upgrades and a good geo set up make a huge difference but, whilst I've not driven a Cayman, the consensus suggests the Porsche is a much better set up car. I guess it comes down to what you're after.
Just to add, my Z4M was extremely reliable, and other than servicing being quite pricey for the Inspection 1 & 2, running costs were quite reasonable.
Good luck with the search.
Pushing 7 years (and 40k) for my Z4M ownership, I don't think I'd ever sell it (apart from I need the dosh to buy a house). In that time it's only wanted servicing and consumables. I think it's only had 1 proper issue when the cable for the cooling fan corroded, so the fan never kicked in, luckily I was able to stop as soon as I saw the temp rise. It cost me about £3 to fix.Having said that, you definitely need to drive all three to see which you prefer. The Z4M is a very special car, far more so than the other two in my opinion. It's rare, looks like nothing else on the road and has an incredible engine, but it is let down by its chassis. It's too stiff for UK B-roads and in standard form requires a lot of commitment to get the back end moving. Modest suspension upgrades and a good geo set up make a huge difference but, whilst I've not driven a Cayman, the consensus suggests the Porsche is a much better set up car. I guess it comes down to what you're after.
Just to add, my Z4M was extremely reliable, and other than servicing being quite pricey for the Inspection 1 & 2, running costs were quite reasonable.
Good luck with the search.
Yeh, I know driving all of them probably won't help with my decision either way as each has a very individual character. Had the Z4M been in a lower tax bracket - or have been just a tad more economical - (it'll be my daily) then I probably would have just gone with the Z4 M Coupe straight away (but I know as a daily it can be a bit harsh on UK roads. Had the Cayman 987.2 been a bit more reasonably priced (£30k for a low mileage version at mo) - then I probably would have gone for that - but then not the greatest long road trip car in terms of space for luggage etc.
As for the M2 - I guess it's bit common and not as much personality in comparison to the previous two - but the best daily and lowest running costs. But can see the prices dropping a fair bit down the line. From a design perspective doesn't have the traditional classic coupe looks either - a bit brutish - even muscle car like (be it a compact one).
As for the M2 - I guess it's bit common and not as much personality in comparison to the previous two - but the best daily and lowest running costs. But can see the prices dropping a fair bit down the line. From a design perspective doesn't have the traditional classic coupe looks either - a bit brutish - even muscle car like (be it a compact one).
I've only owned one of them but to me it looks like M2 prices may still be dropping - and I don't really like Turbo-engines.
So maybe you need to decide whether you do.
From what I have read the Cayman is going to be the best to drive, but will come with Porsche running costs.
I bought a Z4MC 2 years ago and love it for the S54 engine and manual gearbox - plus some rarity as less than 600 were registered in the UK.
There probably isn't a wrong answer - just get the one you like best.
So maybe you need to decide whether you do.
From what I have read the Cayman is going to be the best to drive, but will come with Porsche running costs.
I bought a Z4MC 2 years ago and love it for the S54 engine and manual gearbox - plus some rarity as less than 600 were registered in the UK.
There probably isn't a wrong answer - just get the one you like best.
shuebc said:
Had the Cayman 987.2 been a bit more reasonably priced (£30k for a low mileage version at mo) - then I probably would have gone for that - but then not the greatest long road trip car in terms of space for luggage etc.
You’d be surprised how much you can get in a Cayman, particularly soft bags, there’s the front boot, rear boot, shelf behind the seats with cargo net and other spaces/cubbies like behind the seats themselves. Definitely enough for two people to pack for a couple of weeks away. I can only speak to driving the Cayman but I don’t think you’ll be disappointed. Values have been firm for quite some time and gone up over last couple of years.Yeh I know it sounds to worry about 300 quid extra a year on tax - but it's more the idea of giving the government 300 every for the next 5-10 years... (3-6k in total) - that'll probably cover my all servicing costs for the lifetime of ownership.
But forgetting that.
Yeh love the rarity of the Z4M Coupe - and the looks. And the what will be to become last high revving engine. The mpg does worry me slightly - I hate owning a nice car - and not driving it for the sake of putting miles on / or for MPGs sake.
The Cayman S - obviously its a Porsche... and possible future classic in 10 years.
Yeh M2 - best car to daily hands down / reliability / running costs / looks (but I think we'd be looking at 20-30 years minimum before these become an iconic classic (I guess very common and not really classic iconic design - more brutish in its beauty).
As for the R8 - had they been about 5k-10k cheaper than current market - it would have something I'd possibly jump on. I know a few for sale - who are open to £5k off the asking price. But as with any supercar - the running costs can be a bit astronomical - and to daily it, and probably a bit too flashy for my liking. Had the 997.2 been similar in asking price to an R8 - that would have trumped all the above.
And obviously 997.1 - the engine would be a huge concern.
But forgetting that.
Yeh love the rarity of the Z4M Coupe - and the looks. And the what will be to become last high revving engine. The mpg does worry me slightly - I hate owning a nice car - and not driving it for the sake of putting miles on / or for MPGs sake.
The Cayman S - obviously its a Porsche... and possible future classic in 10 years.
Yeh M2 - best car to daily hands down / reliability / running costs / looks (but I think we'd be looking at 20-30 years minimum before these become an iconic classic (I guess very common and not really classic iconic design - more brutish in its beauty).
As for the R8 - had they been about 5k-10k cheaper than current market - it would have something I'd possibly jump on. I know a few for sale - who are open to £5k off the asking price. But as with any supercar - the running costs can be a bit astronomical - and to daily it, and probably a bit too flashy for my liking. Had the 997.2 been similar in asking price to an R8 - that would have trumped all the above.
And obviously 997.1 - the engine would be a huge concern.
I have both the M2 and Z4MC in my small collection of "M"s and have done for some considerable time,as much as already been said imo they are two totally different cars to do any fair comparison too. I throughly enjoy both of thier merits but would say I couldn't use a Z4MC as a daily but on a bright sunny day the Z4MC still gives me the biggest smile......
jason61c said:
z4m.
m2 is gopping.
I suspect this is highly subjective and perhaps the OP doesn't think that way if he is also considering the M2. Or he is not too bothered about looks.m2 is gopping.
I think the M2 looks great actually. In fact for me it's the best looking BMW for a long time, even if that's not an important consideration for me.
The Z4M on the other hand looks great from certain angles but very weird from others. Definitely subjective.
£600 a year Rod Tax is painful every time I pay it but immediately forgotten the next time I take my MC out for a drive!
I'm not sure fuel consumption is a real concern either. Mine has averaged 26/27 mpg since I got it - my old Capri 2.8 Injections weren't any more economical than that.
I'm not sure fuel consumption is a real concern either. Mine has averaged 26/27 mpg since I got it - my old Capri 2.8 Injections weren't any more economical than that.
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