Buying from part time dealer - no V5

[DeLorean75]

Evening all

Looking at a prospective purchase from an individual who buys and sells a couple of cars. They have no logbook for the vehicle they are selling but are able to evidence some WhatsApp messages that it - should be in the post from the previous owner. DVLA confirms that the vehicle is “in trade” and that I can apply for a V 62 replacement logbook prior to driving off the forecourt* as long as I have the MOT certificate. Dealer does not have the MOT certificate of course but I can see online that the vehicle does have a valid MOT.

I have paid for a car vertical check confirming no outstanding finance or previous write-offs of the vehicle etc.

Any thoughts - how best can I cover myself if I go ahead? Another prospective buyer is apparently itching to leave a deposit (of course).

Vehicle is a good one or I wouldn’t be bothering!

Thanks very much

• there is no forecourt

[Stallzy]

Sounds tricky. If you've seen my posts, then I'm probably not the person who should be offering advice but I guess just try and get as much as you can in writing and maybe if any paperwork is exchanged in person, then have a recording of that transaction too. Not sure if it's unusual or not, but maybe ask if you can take a picture of their ID or something.

I know some people on Facebook marketplace for some small goods were showing me their ID to try and say that they aren't scamming me, but fk knows if they were real or not, but seemed to be. I ended up paying the premium and going with ebay from someone who buys them locally off the local platforms probably like fb marketplace or gumtree, and then sells them on, but was worth it not to have the hassle as everyone on Facebook apparently didn't want to use paypal either because they didn't have it, or have been scammed with paypal chargebacks before.

I guess make sure that their ID actually matches up with where they're selling to you from, even in the case you're just allowed to look at it, but not take a picture.

Intrigued to see what other suggestions are given as I'm looking to buy my second car after the first was written off like near 3 years ago and have been carless since, and might get something quite cheap and through private sellers because of current situation, and also wanting more of a complete service history.

[stevemcs]

I'd be waiting for the V5 to turn up.

[ZX10R NIN]

The simple & only answer is to get them to call you when they have the V5.

[Jamescrs]

I wouldn't buy it without a V5 either, too many red flags popping up here with it being a drive way dealer as well, i'd say call me when you have a V5 for it and would be prepared to not buy the vehicle if this other buyer is genuine

[DeLorean75]

Even if “ in trade”?

(DVLA)

[Monkeylegend]

Maybe car is subject to a log book loan.

[stevemcs]

DeLorean75 said:

Even if “ in trade”?

(DVLA)

Yes,

[DeLorean75]

Thanks all for prompt responses. Had to make a decision this evening. May have erred too much on the side of caution but decided to leave it. Between speaking to DVLA and them confirming it was in trade plus having paid for a check of any outstanding finances I was nearly there but I suppose there are a few red flags. Maybe entirely kosher-just a guy trying to get by making some minor improvements and then shifting on…ho hum. Possibly me just unfamiliar with this world of curbside trading. Thanks again have a good evening

[craigjm]

What was the value of the car out of interest?

[DeLorean75]

11k

Transporter

[sixor8]

stevemcs said:

DeLorean75 said:

Even if “ in trade”?

(DVLA)

Yes,

If the vehicle had been part-exchanged or sold to a trader, only the yellow slip should have been sent to DVLA (which sounds like it was, since they confirmed it). The rest of the V5c should have been retained, and is presumably lost.

There's a possibility that two V5c documents could end up being around for it, although a new one would trump the old one. It could cause hassle down the line, and is definitely something I would avoid, personally.

[DeLorean75]

Thanks

I may be overthinking this but I did end up wondering couldn’t anyone do a v62 on any vehicle even if the owner was unaware of it. Doubtless a good answer to that.

[Trevor555]

DeLorean75 said:

Thanks

I may be overthinking this but I did end up wondering couldn’t anyone do a v62 on any vehicle even if the owner was unaware of it. Doubtless a good answer to that.

Yes, but they'd need the chassis number.

Easy if you've seen the vehicle because the chassis number is on display in the windscreen on most vehicles. I always thought that was a bad idea.

The owner would get a letter from DVLA to confirm they've sold the car, and have about 6 weeks I think to respond.

If no reply from the owner DVLA issue the new V5 to the applicant.

That's how it always used to be, maybe it's changed?

[Trevor555]

DeLorean75 said:

11k

Transporter

How is this drive way dealer asking you to pay?

Is the Transporter so attractive because of spec? or price?

I only ask as there's no reason to sell a Transporter on the cheap.

[DeLorean75]

Trevor555 said:

Yes, but they'd need the chassis number.

Easy if you've seen the vehicle because the chassis number is on display in the windscreen on most vehicles. I always thought that was a bad idea.

The owner would get a letter from DVLA to confirm they've sold the car, and have about 6 weeks I think to respond.

If no reply from the owner DVLA issue the new V5 to the applicant.

That's how it always used to be, maybe it's changed?

Partially fake news The VIN was presented on a paid for HPI report (I used car vertical) once reg plate was input. Anyway...

[DeLorean75]

Trevor555 said:

How is this drive way dealer asking you to pay?

Is the Transporter so attractive because of spec? or price?

I only ask as there's no reason to sell a Transporter on the cheap.

Both. I know you're right. I like to think it's my Quentin Wilson esque [classifieds] hunting skills combined w the fact the vendor was in the middle of nowhere.

[DeLorean75]

Me again. So just to box this off an optimal kerb side trader papertrail is:

Trader buys car from owner 1
Owner 1 fills out V5 green slip and sends off / and or does equivalent online
DVLA thus notified car is "In Trade"
Owner 1 gives Trader rest ot V5 (is that right?)

Owner 2 buys car from dealer
Trader gives owner 2 V5 and valid MOT
Owner 2 can now tax immediately at post office / other?
Owner 2 drives away

.........

If Owner 1 does not have V5:

Trader buys car from owner 1 and applies for replacement V5? (In who's name). Or do they just ensure DVLA know "in trade" and once Owner 2 comes along point them towards a V62 replacement V5 form?

[Nickp82]

If owner 1 didn’t have the V5, they couldn’t have transferred it to trade . This is the bit I find confusing with this situation, if the vehicle is ‘in trade’ somebody somewhere has had the correct V5. It may simply have been lost of course, it happens.

Have you checked the last V5 issue date on the vehicleenquiry.service.gov.uk website? It may or may not come in useful in piecing together what the situation is.

[Trevor555]

DeLorean75 said:

Trevor555 said:

Yes, but they'd need the chassis number.

Easy if you've seen the vehicle because the chassis number is on display in the windscreen on most vehicles. I always thought that was a bad idea.

The owner would get a letter from DVLA to confirm they've sold the car, and have about 6 weeks I think to respond.

If no reply from the owner DVLA issue the new V5 to the applicant.

That's how it always used to be, maybe it's changed?

Partially fake news The VIN was presented on a paid for HPI report (I used car vertical) once reg plate was input. Anyway...

I thought consumer vehicle checks only gave you the Chassis number after you've entered the V5 doc ref number?

So this one gives you the VIN straight off?

Then the answer to your previous question is yes, in that anybody can apply for a V5 with the Chassis & reg number.