Pick up truck £20k
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Hello all,
I'm looking to get a pick-up for general use now we've moved to the middle of nowhere. Towing up to 3.5 tonnes would be appreciated (although not utilised every day) and ULEZ compliance would be required due to impending zones in Aberdeen where I have to get to sometimes. Ideally I would like a Transporter 4motion Kombi, but these are way out of price range, so I'm looking for a robust pickup instead.
I think I've narrowed it down to the following choices, with my current (uneducated) thoughts noted alongside.
I have had a search for similar threads, but haven't really found anything, especially as I'd be looking at second hand vehicles with 50k+ miles on them in my budget range.
Hilux - ideally an 'Active' base model for me, seems to be the best, but do hold their money well.
L200 - appear to be cheaper (could get a 2018 with the higher towing capacity of the price of the hilux), are Mitsubishi still operating in the UK?
Navara - Look to be well specified and have coil rear suspension - how reliable are they?
Ranger - out as I've seen the rust on a friends 2014 model one.
Any experience with these or any other options would be much appreciated. I'll be looking at cars from around 2017-18 to ensure ULEZ compliance.
Thanks
I'm looking to get a pick-up for general use now we've moved to the middle of nowhere. Towing up to 3.5 tonnes would be appreciated (although not utilised every day) and ULEZ compliance would be required due to impending zones in Aberdeen where I have to get to sometimes. Ideally I would like a Transporter 4motion Kombi, but these are way out of price range, so I'm looking for a robust pickup instead.
I think I've narrowed it down to the following choices, with my current (uneducated) thoughts noted alongside.
I have had a search for similar threads, but haven't really found anything, especially as I'd be looking at second hand vehicles with 50k+ miles on them in my budget range.
Hilux - ideally an 'Active' base model for me, seems to be the best, but do hold their money well.
L200 - appear to be cheaper (could get a 2018 with the higher towing capacity of the price of the hilux), are Mitsubishi still operating in the UK?
Navara - Look to be well specified and have coil rear suspension - how reliable are they?
Ranger - out as I've seen the rust on a friends 2014 model one.
Any experience with these or any other options would be much appreciated. I'll be looking at cars from around 2017-18 to ensure ULEZ compliance.
Thanks
We've had 3 of the 2015-2019 L200s on lease and apart from a new alternator belt tensioner on one of them, nothing's gone wrong with them.
What sets them apart from the others is that they can run on 4wd on tarmac (very useful when towing) and aren't subject to van speed limits like the Ranger and Amarok.
Warrior spec is all you need as Barbarian has mainly cosmetic changes, Warrior looks much more restrained.
Mitsubishi don't sell new cars in the UK anymore, but they're still around for servicing and warranty etc.
This was my Warrior, was a good all-rounder
What sets them apart from the others is that they can run on 4wd on tarmac (very useful when towing) and aren't subject to van speed limits like the Ranger and Amarok.
Warrior spec is all you need as Barbarian has mainly cosmetic changes, Warrior looks much more restrained.
Mitsubishi don't sell new cars in the UK anymore, but they're still around for servicing and warranty etc.
This was my Warrior, was a good all-rounder
Out of those I'd say the L200 is the better tow vehicle as the Super select manual lets you use 4wd on tarmac, as far as I'm aware none of the others do.
Annoyingly what I'd really appreciate would be the ability to engage low range without locking the diffs, e.g a hill start with a loaded trailer. you've been able to do it for years with Land Rovers but none of the pickup manufacturers seem to have deemed it necessary.
If you go for the L200 manual give it a proper test drive as mitsubishi replaced several gearboxes under warranty for jumping out of 3rd gear I believe.
Annoyingly what I'd really appreciate would be the ability to engage low range without locking the diffs, e.g a hill start with a loaded trailer. you've been able to do it for years with Land Rovers but none of the pickup manufacturers seem to have deemed it necessary.
If you go for the L200 manual give it a proper test drive as mitsubishi replaced several gearboxes under warranty for jumping out of 3rd gear I believe.
I was in a similar position to you last year. Navarro and L200 discounted over parts concerns in years to come, not a Ford fan, so bought a Hi-Lux Invincible, albeit newer than perhaps you are looking for. Tows great, regularly pulls my 3.5t digger/trailer combo, comfortable on long trips, 10 year Toyota warranty and (so far) cheap to service at a main dealer.
Can’t see me changing it as it does everything pretty well and have bumped into various Hi-Lux owners who swear by them.
Can’t see me changing it as it does everything pretty well and have bumped into various Hi-Lux owners who swear by them.
Pistaaah said:
I was in a similar position to you last year. Navarro and L200 discounted over parts concerns in years to come, not a Ford fan, so bought a Hi-Lux Invincible, albeit newer than perhaps you are looking for. Tows great, regularly pulls my 3.5t digger/trailer combo, comfortable on long trips, 10 year Toyota warranty and (so far) cheap to service at a main dealer.
Can’t see me changing it as it does everything pretty well and have bumped into various Hi-Lux owners who swear by them.
As a matter of interest (because I always find the subject confusing!) does your combo have a tachograph?Can’t see me changing it as it does everything pretty well and have bumped into various Hi-Lux owners who swear by them.
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
OP, if you’ve discounted the Ranger because of rust Navarra has to go! (Google snapped Navarra)
2016 onwards Navara had no such issues - it was the old model that snapped.I had a 2017 Tekna that was used daily for 3 years / 40k miles and nothing whatsoever went wrong.
Far more robust than the two L200’s I had (2006 & 2008 models) and also a far better ride with the rear coils over the antiquated leaf springs used by others.
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
Pistaaah said:
I was in a similar position to you last year. Navarro and L200 discounted over parts concerns in years to come, not a Ford fan, so bought a Hi-Lux Invincible, albeit newer than perhaps you are looking for. Tows great, regularly pulls my 3.5t digger/trailer combo, comfortable on long trips, 10 year Toyota warranty and (so far) cheap to service at a main dealer.
Can’t see me changing it as it does everything pretty well and have bumped into various Hi-Lux owners who swear by them.
As a matter of interest (because I always find the subject confusing!) does your combo have a tachograph?Can’t see me changing it as it does everything pretty well and have bumped into various Hi-Lux owners who swear by them.
If you were dropping the digger off to a hiring customer that's different I think.
Obviously if you're a mug like me and somehow end up with £20k of digger/trailer and pickup and permanently doing freebies for people a tacho doesn't come into it at all.
There have been a couple of threads on these of late,
The D-Max gets a very good write up, but looks ugly.
The Ssangyong at £20k is the older model (miles dependent, even tho they're not popular so are cheaper than the rest), the newer one is very good.
The Mitsi was also sold as the Fiat fullback, cheaper still as people assume its a flaky fiat. Same vehicle, different badge. Lower buy price = lower sell though. Rear susp is the weak point, how much it bothers you depends on what you pull. With no load it can feel slightly sketchy at speed, but you quickly get used to it and don't drive like that! The post 2020 facelift is... Challenging. But can be in budget, again, miles dependent. They're sensible because you can do 70mph, not that you see many pick ups doing less, but legitimately.
The Navara needs the "5 year warranty" sticker on the tailgate to be the update, very good to drive if you don't mind an interior like any other 5 year old Nissan. None of this chassis nonsense spouted above, that's long dealt with.
Toyota is great. I'm going to get a post 2016 one when back in France. There was a further facelift in 2020 per the tasty one picd above, but they're more 30 than 20k.
The D-Max gets a very good write up, but looks ugly.
The Ssangyong at £20k is the older model (miles dependent, even tho they're not popular so are cheaper than the rest), the newer one is very good.
The Mitsi was also sold as the Fiat fullback, cheaper still as people assume its a flaky fiat. Same vehicle, different badge. Lower buy price = lower sell though. Rear susp is the weak point, how much it bothers you depends on what you pull. With no load it can feel slightly sketchy at speed, but you quickly get used to it and don't drive like that! The post 2020 facelift is... Challenging. But can be in budget, again, miles dependent. They're sensible because you can do 70mph, not that you see many pick ups doing less, but legitimately.
The Navara needs the "5 year warranty" sticker on the tailgate to be the update, very good to drive if you don't mind an interior like any other 5 year old Nissan. None of this chassis nonsense spouted above, that's long dealt with.
Toyota is great. I'm going to get a post 2016 one when back in France. There was a further facelift in 2020 per the tasty one picd above, but they're more 30 than 20k.
Edited by Macron on Wednesday 28th December 16:40
Darkslider said:
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
Pistaaah said:
I was in a similar position to you last year. Navarro and L200 discounted over parts concerns in years to come, not a Ford fan, so bought a Hi-Lux Invincible, albeit newer than perhaps you are looking for. Tows great, regularly pulls my 3.5t digger/trailer combo, comfortable on long trips, 10 year Toyota warranty and (so far) cheap to service at a main dealer.
Can’t see me changing it as it does everything pretty well and have bumped into various Hi-Lux owners who swear by them.
As a matter of interest (because I always find the subject confusing!) does your combo have a tachograph?Can’t see me changing it as it does everything pretty well and have bumped into various Hi-Lux owners who swear by them.
If you were dropping the digger off to a hiring customer that's different I think.
Obviously if you're a mug like me and somehow end up with £20k of digger/trailer and pickup and permanently doing freebies for people a tacho doesn't come into it at all.
As long as you are within 62 miles of base apparently. (Carrying your tools to do your trade)
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
....maybe not if you never work more than 62.5 miles from home!
Correct - we really bought it to do one job, (photo was from when we collected it after purchase) and if we use it locally (property developers) it will be as you say, less than 62.5 miles.Would be surprised to get a tug for that though..
Pistaaah said:
2 sMoKiN bArReLs said:
....maybe not if you never work more than 62.5 miles from home!
Correct - we really bought it to do one job, (photo was from when we collected it after purchase) and if we use it locally (property developers) it will be as you say, less than 62.5 miles.Would be surprised to get a tug for that though..
Mammasaid said:
We've had 3 of the 2015-2019 L200s on lease and apart from a new alternator belt tensioner on one of them, nothing's gone wrong with them.
What sets them apart from the others is that they can run on 4wd on tarmac (very useful when towing) and aren't subject to van speed limits like the Ranger and Amarok.
Warrior spec is all you need as Barbarian has mainly cosmetic changes, Warrior looks much more restrained.
Mitsubishi don't sell new cars in the UK anymore, but they're still around for servicing and warranty etc.
This was my Warrior, was a good all-rounder
Can anyone explain the 'van speed limits point' please. I'm aware of the speed limits regarding vans but don't understand how this could affect one pickup but not another?What sets them apart from the others is that they can run on 4wd on tarmac (very useful when towing) and aren't subject to van speed limits like the Ranger and Amarok.
Warrior spec is all you need as Barbarian has mainly cosmetic changes, Warrior looks much more restrained.
Mitsubishi don't sell new cars in the UK anymore, but they're still around for servicing and warranty etc.
This was my Warrior, was a good all-rounder
gt40steve said:
Mammasaid said:
We've had 3 of the 2015-2019 L200s on lease and apart from a new alternator belt tensioner on one of them, nothing's gone wrong with them.
What sets them apart from the others is that they can run on 4wd on tarmac (very useful when towing) and aren't subject to van speed limits like the Ranger and Amarok.
Warrior spec is all you need as Barbarian has mainly cosmetic changes, Warrior looks much more restrained.
Mitsubishi don't sell new cars in the UK anymore, but they're still around for servicing and warranty etc.
This was my Warrior, was a good all-rounder
Can anyone explain the 'van speed limits point' please. I'm aware of the speed limits regarding vans but don't understand how this could affect one pickup but not another?What sets them apart from the others is that they can run on 4wd on tarmac (very useful when towing) and aren't subject to van speed limits like the Ranger and Amarok.
Warrior spec is all you need as Barbarian has mainly cosmetic changes, Warrior looks much more restrained.
Mitsubishi don't sell new cars in the UK anymore, but they're still around for servicing and warranty etc.
This was my Warrior, was a good all-rounder
gt40steve said:
Mammasaid said:
We've had 3 of the 2015-2019 L200s on lease and apart from a new alternator belt tensioner on one of them, nothing's gone wrong with them.
What sets them apart from the others is that they can run on 4wd on tarmac (very useful when towing) and aren't subject to van speed limits like the Ranger and Amarok.
Warrior spec is all you need as Barbarian has mainly cosmetic changes, Warrior looks much more restrained.
Mitsubishi don't sell new cars in the UK anymore, but they're still around for servicing and warranty etc.
This was my Warrior, was a good all-rounder
Can anyone explain the 'van speed limits point' please. I'm aware of the speed limits regarding vans but don't understand how this could affect one pickup but not another?What sets them apart from the others is that they can run on 4wd on tarmac (very useful when towing) and aren't subject to van speed limits like the Ranger and Amarok.
Warrior spec is all you need as Barbarian has mainly cosmetic changes, Warrior looks much more restrained.
Mitsubishi don't sell new cars in the UK anymore, but they're still around for servicing and warranty etc.
This was my Warrior, was a good all-rounder
And, to also piss on your chips, regardless of the official status for weight (which only impacts speed limits, and in some cases lower spec models are lighter weight so can do 70, the top spec with heavy leather seats etc can't, so you really do need to check), where they all get commercial, so flat rate, tax, regardless of their emissions, they all count as commercial vehicles.
So when insuring, there are some Co's that won't count your car (non commercial) no claims, whereas others do......
When you've gone through the loop once it all makes sense, or at least you understand enough of it to you where you'll get kicked in the knackers, but until you've made the decision what you're buying, it's all a bit of guesswork.
So when insuring, there are some Co's that won't count your car (non commercial) no claims, whereas others do......
When you've gone through the loop once it all makes sense, or at least you understand enough of it to you where you'll get kicked in the knackers, but until you've made the decision what you're buying, it's all a bit of guesswork.
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