Euro 5 Diesels and ULEZ

[cirian75]

I live in Manchester that has currently not bing enforced but coming soon ULEZ zone that only applies to commercial vehicles.

So private owned Euro 4 and 5 diesels are safe.............................for the moment.



My gut instinct says getting a diesel is a bad idea as they could pull a fast one and include private diesels, say after a year of operation.

Am I being paranoid or is this a sensible concern?

[Dingu]

Chances are they will be included at some point. If you intend to keep the car for more than a year or two the concern is likely valid.

[paradigital]

I’d say it’s a safe assumption that anyone within a city’s limits (or has the need to drive inside one) is going to be on the receiving end of a ULEZ in the coming years, you’d be daft to not assume the Greater Manchester one won’t target private vehicles at some point after it’s reintroduction.

[cirian75]

Dingu said:

Chances are they will be included at some point. If you intend to keep the car for more than a year or two the concern is likely valid.

Current car owned 10 years come Sept

Last car owned 8 years

Yeah, I keep my cars

So looks like any diesel would have to be Euro6

[Jamescrs]

I am convinced that they will extend it to cover private vehicles within a year or so after they have got it running smoothly for commercial vehicles

[anonymous-user]

Look at Paris, they are banning all diesel engine cars (including Euro 6) from 1st January 2024. I am pretty certain that London will follow this plan at some point in the future.

But even Petrol is not safe, Paris will be banning all petrol cars in 2030.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/air-pollution/int...

I think it is extremely likely that all clean air zones will ban non Euro 6 diesels in the near future. Then it is only a matter of time before they ban all diesels from city centres.

As for how long this will be, who knows?

[jardinec]

Its being enforced in Glasgow from 1st June 2023 for private vehicles.

No exceptions / ability to pay a day rate - just a fine if you dont comply, and a fine that doubles each time you are caught.

https://www.glasgow.gov.uk/LEZ

I would guess it will be coming to all major cities pretty soon.

[A500leroy]

jardinec said:

Its being enforced in Glasgow from 1st June 2023 for private vehicles.

No exceptions / ability to pay a day rate - just a fine if you dont comply, and a fine that doubles each time you are caught.

https://www.glasgow.gov.uk/LEZ

I would guess it will be coming to all major cities pretty soon.

how much is the fine?

[sixor8]

Joey Deacon said:

Look at Paris, they are banning all diesel engine cars (including Euro 6) from 1st January 2024. I am pretty certain that London will follow this plan at some point in the future.

But even Petrol is not safe, Paris will be banning all petrol cars in 2030.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/air-pollution/int...

I think it is extremely likely that all clean air zones will ban non Euro 6 diesels in the near future. Then it is only a matter of time before they ban all diesels from city centres.

As for how long this will be, who knows?

Won't it depend on air quality? The Birmingham CAZ was introduced for ALL Euro 4 Car and Euro 6 diesels straight away on 1st June 2021, but other cities are most likely to do this too. But you'd expect the effect of only penalizing commercial traffic first would be checked, but it's not about revenue is it?

[cirian75]

A500leroy said:

jardinec said:

Its being enforced in Glasgow from 1st June 2023 for private vehicles.

No exceptions / ability to pay a day rate - just a fine if you dont comply, and a fine that doubles each time you are caught.

https://www.glasgow.gov.uk/LEZ

I would guess it will be coming to all major cities pretty soon.

how much is the fine?

£60

[jardinec]

Yep, £60 and doubles each subsequent time up to £480

[ZX10R NIN]

If you're in a ULEZ/CAZ area & a diesel works for you then buy one, I'm buying another with no concerns over future legislation.

[CraigyMc]

jardinec said:

Yep, £60 and doubles each subsequent time up to £480

Half that if paid promptly. Basically a flat ban on Euro V and prior diesels.
I wonder how it copes with people changing registered keeper -- does that reset the prince to £60 or does the new owner get a very nasty surprise?

[bearman68]

Gosh it might get so bad that the registered keepers address might read something like. No10, Unknown Village, on Unknown street, in LaLa land.
Worst case is the car is crushed, but this seems unlikely since it's all being 'policed' by cameras.