Which e class £12k or £22k? Euro5 or 6?
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Which e class estate?
Thinking of upgrading my 2008 E320cdi
Not sure to go for something about £12000 or £22,000
Sensible head says 220d, but:
Euro6 350 £16 53k miles
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302074...
Ideally another V6 and with 4matic.I do t need 4matic, but these cars are no Quattros so 4matic would help give it it but more sure footedness. 350s are really quick on paper. 350 4matics seem very expensive compared to a 220.
Maybe a
220d 4matic would be a sensible motor? £21k 2017 euro6 50k miles
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301263...
This seems like a very sensible 220 2015 78k £13k
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301063...
The 200 petrol will surely be a bit wheezy,
Will likely keep it for 10years.
Wee bit concerned I’m going to get stitched up again for ulez, but then again aren’t we all? I guess the 12k option means less grief to change if I get stitched up too much at the next ulez increase.
I definitely enjoy, and use, the motorway oomph that the 320cdi provides. A 9speed 220 probably would t be far behind me. Would it even be in front?
Mileage will vary. Sometimes 20k per year. Other years only 8.
Thoughts?
Thinking of upgrading my 2008 E320cdi
Not sure to go for something about £12000 or £22,000
Sensible head says 220d, but:
Euro6 350 £16 53k miles
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302074...
Ideally another V6 and with 4matic.I do t need 4matic, but these cars are no Quattros so 4matic would help give it it but more sure footedness. 350s are really quick on paper. 350 4matics seem very expensive compared to a 220.
Maybe a
220d 4matic would be a sensible motor? £21k 2017 euro6 50k miles
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301263...
This seems like a very sensible 220 2015 78k £13k
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301063...
The 200 petrol will surely be a bit wheezy,
Will likely keep it for 10years.
Wee bit concerned I’m going to get stitched up again for ulez, but then again aren’t we all? I guess the 12k option means less grief to change if I get stitched up too much at the next ulez increase.
I definitely enjoy, and use, the motorway oomph that the 320cdi provides. A 9speed 220 probably would t be far behind me. Would it even be in front?
Mileage will vary. Sometimes 20k per year. Other years only 8.
Thoughts?
Edited by nobrakes on Wednesday 15th February 04:50
Edited by nobrakes on Wednesday 15th February 04:52
If you ever go near cities then i wouldnt touch a euro 5 diesel. They will tank in value this decade because absolutely noone will want one.
Euro 7 isnt out and seems to be so tough that maybe there wont even be any euro 7 diesels. I dont think euro 6 diesels will be caught by ulez for a long time if ever because there will be so few. Although if they are found to emit far more in the real world than the original emissions test (like every other diesel has), that might change.
Euro 7 isnt out and seems to be so tough that maybe there wont even be any euro 7 diesels. I dont think euro 6 diesels will be caught by ulez for a long time if ever because there will be so few. Although if they are found to emit far more in the real world than the original emissions test (like every other diesel has), that might change.
braddo said:
If you ever go near cities then i wouldnt touch a euro 5 diesel. They will tank in value this decade because absolutely noone will want one.
Euro 7 isnt out and seems to be so tough that maybe there wont even be any euro 7 diesels. I dont think euro 6 diesels will be caught by ulez for a long time if ever because there will be so few. Although if they are found to emit far more in the real world than the original emissions test (like every other diesel has), that might change.
So this might be the safest ulez option Euro 7 isnt out and seems to be so tough that maybe there wont even be any euro 7 diesels. I dont think euro 6 diesels will be caught by ulez for a long time if ever because there will be so few. Although if they are found to emit far more in the real world than the original emissions test (like every other diesel has), that might change.
2018 2.0 petrol. Slightly higher than av miles, but that’s no issue for me.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302023...
I’d need to take it for a motorway drive to see how much less effective it is than the diseasel. I’m sure it’s not bad when pushed. I guess I’m fearful of lumping £23k into something that’s not got enough oomph. Maybe being too critical.
What an excellent environmentally friendly idea these emissions zones are.
The opportunity to invest an additional ten grand to save the children cannot be missed, and I’m sure your existing and perfectly serviceable Merc can be recycled into solar panels or something.
E63 would be my shout. I’m convinced Euro 6 petrol drivers won’t be stoned to death until at least 2030.
The opportunity to invest an additional ten grand to save the children cannot be missed, and I’m sure your existing and perfectly serviceable Merc can be recycled into solar panels or something.
E63 would be my shout. I’m convinced Euro 6 petrol drivers won’t be stoned to death until at least 2030.
We have the 200 petrol engine in a B class (I think its the same engine) Its been very reliable over the last 5/6 years, depending on your driving style its quick enough. It does drive like a Diesel, low down torque, low revs etc etc but doesn't have the same shove when the turbo kicks in. We can get 50mpg on a run but it is a smaller, lighter car.
I would seriously look at how many miles you are driving and how often you go into the ULEZ cities. The Euro 6 diesels will be next on the list to pay to drive in London, Birmingham, Bristol and the rest but if you don't drive in those places it's not a problem. The 20mpg difference in economy between E200 and E220d doesn't really make a huge difference in running costs when you factor in the fact diesel is 20% more expensive than petrol and you will also need adblue.
For me the Diesel drives better with the added torque but it sounds like a tractor.
I would seriously look at how many miles you are driving and how often you go into the ULEZ cities. The Euro 6 diesels will be next on the list to pay to drive in London, Birmingham, Bristol and the rest but if you don't drive in those places it's not a problem. The 20mpg difference in economy between E200 and E220d doesn't really make a huge difference in running costs when you factor in the fact diesel is 20% more expensive than petrol and you will also need adblue.
For me the Diesel drives better with the added torque but it sounds like a tractor.
If you're going to go for an S213 E-Class, I would definitely look for one built late 2017 or later.
There were a raft of technical bulletins of a plethora of largely niggly but highly annoying build quality issues on the early cars. I had a Summer 2016 built but March 2017 registered E220d Premium Plus Estate, I really liked the car but I sold because I got fed up of with the niggles and trying to communicate them to main dealer service advisors who don't have a clue about anything other than where to put your credit card, and the ham-fisted attempts by their second rate technicians to fix things. For example, they replaced the drivers door hinges as per a technical bulletin and despite 3 attempts never got the door lined up absolutely perfectly.
The OM654 220d engine is as good as a 4 cylinder diesel you'll find - they are smooth and quiet with decent performance and excellent fuel economy on a run but early ones can develop issues with the exhaust valve rockers at higher mileage, and the Adblue system can drop a four figure bill at any time of its choosing - which I think persists in later cars.
S213's (Estates) eat air suspension compressors every 3-4 years, AGM batteries do well to last 3 years, GPS antenna is located in the drivers door mirror and will fail so the sat nav won't know your location. Early digital dashboards develop milky patches in the corners where the sun hits it and discolours the glue. I had an electronic handbrake motor fail engaged meaning I couldn't move the car - although I've not heard that one anywhere else so may have been a one off.
If I was going to buy another Mercedes I'd go for one 7-10 years old and maintain it at an independent. There seems to be very few third party bits available for the later cars - particularly for the expensive faults like the Adblue system.
There were a raft of technical bulletins of a plethora of largely niggly but highly annoying build quality issues on the early cars. I had a Summer 2016 built but March 2017 registered E220d Premium Plus Estate, I really liked the car but I sold because I got fed up of with the niggles and trying to communicate them to main dealer service advisors who don't have a clue about anything other than where to put your credit card, and the ham-fisted attempts by their second rate technicians to fix things. For example, they replaced the drivers door hinges as per a technical bulletin and despite 3 attempts never got the door lined up absolutely perfectly.
The OM654 220d engine is as good as a 4 cylinder diesel you'll find - they are smooth and quiet with decent performance and excellent fuel economy on a run but early ones can develop issues with the exhaust valve rockers at higher mileage, and the Adblue system can drop a four figure bill at any time of its choosing - which I think persists in later cars.
S213's (Estates) eat air suspension compressors every 3-4 years, AGM batteries do well to last 3 years, GPS antenna is located in the drivers door mirror and will fail so the sat nav won't know your location. Early digital dashboards develop milky patches in the corners where the sun hits it and discolours the glue. I had an electronic handbrake motor fail engaged meaning I couldn't move the car - although I've not heard that one anywhere else so may have been a one off.
If I was going to buy another Mercedes I'd go for one 7-10 years old and maintain it at an independent. There seems to be very few third party bits available for the later cars - particularly for the expensive faults like the Adblue system.
Funny re new model glitches. I bought a late model W211 320 cdi instead of a new 220 W212 to avoid just those types of snags. It looks dated now but I know it would and don’t mind. The ulez is influencing my choice, i hate to say. Even twice a week is over a grand a year ulez tax on a 15year old car is fine for 1 year but will soon add up. I’ve not given up on it yet, but am trying to plan ahead.
stevemcs said:
I'd avoid the euro 6 diesel purely because of the Adblue isues.
Personally i'd go E350, however the ones i've been watching in the right spec sell very quickly.
You mean like this? Personally i'd go E350, however the ones i've been watching in the right spec sell very quickly.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202302104...
I've got the 2.0 Petrol engine in a C200 Estate (w205 Gen) and it's not bad, certainly doesn't feel underpowered for normal driving and is smooth enough. Driven more or less exclusively in "Comfort" mode. Eco is woeful.
MPG wise it varies a lot. Short few mile trips in stop start traffic with a cold engine will see right down in the mid-20's. Things get better once it warms up and traffic calms, more like low 30's. Motorway cruising at 70-75 will see low 40s and if you want to sit at 55-60 it'll creep up nearer 50.
No problems with it so far other than the NOX sensors throwing the engine management light. Sorted by Merc under goodwill with the car ~1 year outside of Warranty, although had it not figures of ~£1K to repair were being chucked around.
MPG wise it varies a lot. Short few mile trips in stop start traffic with a cold engine will see right down in the mid-20's. Things get better once it warms up and traffic calms, more like low 30's. Motorway cruising at 70-75 will see low 40s and if you want to sit at 55-60 it'll creep up nearer 50.
No problems with it so far other than the NOX sensors throwing the engine management light. Sorted by Merc under goodwill with the car ~1 year outside of Warranty, although had it not figures of ~£1K to repair were being chucked around.
The NoX sensors controlling the Ad Blue system are the big concern with a Euro6 Merc. They can go at any age and mileage and there are 2 of them. About £750 to replace each one. Getting hold of the sensors is difficult too with back orders running into months. The Ad Blue pump is another expensive failure. Good luck trying to get Mercedes to warranty it. it's a very common problem but they are not interested. It seems to be a s
t system built upon a tried and tested diesel platform.
t system built upon a tried and tested diesel platform. Chicken Chaser said:
The NoX sensors controlling the Ad Blue system are the big concern with a Euro6 Merc. They can go at any age and mileage and there are 2 of them. About £750 to replace each one. Getting hold of the sensors is difficult too with back orders running into months. The Ad Blue pump is another expensive failure. Good luck trying to get Mercedes to warranty it. it's a very common problem but they are not interested. It seems to be a st system built upon a tried and tested diesel platform.
Diesel is a tried and tested platform full stop, until you nail emissions crap like exhaust filters and adblue onto them. t system built upon a tried and tested diesel platform. It’s a shame because the older diesels will end up being scrapped as they don’t tick the right boxes and the newer ones with too-clever emissions kit will be scrapped as well because they’ll be uneconomic to repair. Manufacturers will be happy because they’ll churn out more cars. Not sure how that helps the environment but there we go.
CallorFold said:
I've got the 2.0 Petrol engine in a C200 Estate (w205 Gen) and it's not bad, certainly doesn't feel underpowered for normal driving and is smooth enough. Driven more or less exclusively in "Comfort" mode. Eco is woeful.
MPG wise it varies a lot. Short few mile trips in stop start traffic with a cold engine will see right down in the mid-20's. Things get better once it warms up and traffic calms, more like low 30's. Motorway cruising at 70-75 will see low 40s and if you want to sit at 55-60 it'll creep up nearer 50.
No problems with it so far other than the NOX sensors throwing the engine management light. Sorted by Merc under goodwill with the car ~1 year outside of Warranty, although had it not figures of ~£1K to repair were being chucked around.
Many thanks. I’ve no intention of sitting at 55 to 60mph, or at 75 tbh - pistonheads! North of that really where the 320cdi is in its element. MPG wise it varies a lot. Short few mile trips in stop start traffic with a cold engine will see right down in the mid-20's. Things get better once it warms up and traffic calms, more like low 30's. Motorway cruising at 70-75 will see low 40s and if you want to sit at 55-60 it'll creep up nearer 50.
No problems with it so far other than the NOX sensors throwing the engine management light. Sorted by Merc under goodwill with the car ~1 year outside of Warranty, although had it not figures of ~£1K to repair were being chucked around.
Edited by nobrakes on Thursday 16th February 12:12
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