What's the 'nicest' car without keyless go / entry?

[Newc]

Mrs Newc's car has disappeared from outside the house. She has both keys, which were in faraday pouches.

So now she needs a new one - four doors, reliable, automatic, comfy for long distance motorway journeys, reasonable amount of leather 'n' toys. And no keyless go. She does not care about a sweet turn in and communicative chassis. She needs it to be there when she goes outside, start every time, and make it to the destination without fuss.

All suggestions welcome.

I've always felt keyless go is a pointless thing that nobody asked for, fixing a problem that doesn't exist, and creating a whole new way to enable scrotes and scrotism. And now I feel vindicated.

[Tony_T]

Budget? Size?

[Shiv_P]

A lot of cars allow you to turn it off

[spookly]

If both keys were in faraday pouches then why are you blaming the keyless system?

[ChrisH72]

I also think keyless go is largely a waste of time. My car has it but I also have a steering lock which I need a key for!

Mind you, if her keys were in a Faraday bag then surely that's not the reason it got stolen? My thoughts on car crime is that if they want it they will have it no matter what. The alternative is that they will possibly break in to your house to find the keys, who knows?

Good luck with the search though.

[konster296]

The cars on my list have keyless as an option although quite a few on the used market don’t have it.

Second generation CLS (2011-2018)
Porsche Macan

Why not get something like a Lexus ES300H or something else which isn’t targeted by thieves. I think the risk is greater with common premium cars within the UK which platform share and are in high demand. I feel like slightly quirky Luxo barges might fit the bill more than cars that don’t have keyless, but are high in demand.

[Newc]

Thanks for the responses.

Tony_T said:

Budget? Size?

4 adults in comfort, eg 5 series / Cayenne sort of sizing. No particular budget.

Shiv_P said:

A lot of cars allow you to turn it off

Yeah, was thinking that. Just the entry though, right ? Nobody does a keyless go which also has an ignition key ?

spookly said:

If both keys were in faraday pouches then why are you blaming the keyless system?

Because pouches only protect against the range extender / mirroring attacks. You can still spoof the keyless systems to let you in / start it up without the key in range. And keyless go, without the need for a physical key in the ignition with a transponder, is what makes this kind of theft feasible, worthwhile, and lucrative.

[mike42]

A stolen car equals a new sale for the manufacturer. They have little incentive to do a decent job with security.

[Piginapoke]

Newc said:

Thanks for the responses.

Tony_T said:

Budget? Size?

4 adults in comfort, eg 5 series / Cayenne sort of sizing. No particular budget.

Shiv_P said:

A lot of cars allow you to turn it off

Yeah, was thinking that. Just the entry though, right ? Nobody does a keyless go which also has an ignition key ?

spookly said:

If both keys were in faraday pouches then why are you blaming the keyless system?

Because pouches only protect against the range extender / mirroring attacks. You can still spoof the keyless systems to let you in / start it up without the key in range. And keyless go, without the need for a physical key in the ignition with a transponder, is what makes this kind of theft feasible, worthwhile, and lucrative.

Tesla Model Y? Next gen security and no key at all.

[SuperNads]

It wasn't an Alfa that got nicked was it?

[rosejem]

Only back to basic modern cars will have an old fashioned / practical car key.
I think new Dacia entry spec will have what you're looking for without the luxury through.

[dundarach]

It's nothing to do with security and everything to do with desirability.

Just buy something boring and be happy!

[Newc]

konster296 said:

Second generation CLS (2011-2018)
Porsche Macan

Merc barge is a good shout, so many variants and options, should be able to spec something sensible.

konster296 said:

Why not get something like a Lexus ES300H

SuperNads said:

It wasn't an Alfa that got nicked was it?

It was a Lexus RX. Police chap - who was excellent and very helpful - said they're becoming a more popular target. Maybe there's a new hack for them, or maybe all the local range rovers are already in a shipping container.

[Subculture]

You could get third party immobiliser like Ghost, to go with any car that works on pin code entered on steering wheel buttons etc.

[spookly]

Newc said:

Thanks for the responses.

spookly said:

If both keys were in faraday pouches then why are you blaming the keyless system?

Because pouches only protect against the range extender / mirroring attacks. You can still spoof the keyless systems to let you in / start it up without the key in range. And keyless go, without the need for a physical key in the ignition with a transponder, is what makes this kind of theft feasible, worthwhile, and lucrative.

Only if the manufacturer ballsed up the security design of the system, or is lax with letting other people get copy keys ordered.
A wireless system can be just as secure as a transponder based system other than relay type attacks.

[NortonES2]

spookly said:

If both keys were in faraday pouches then why are you blaming the keyless system?

The pouches wear out, worth testing from time to time.

[Terminator X]

My car has no keyless entry but perhaps a tad extreme, M3cs.

TX.

[carlove]

Newc said:

It was a Lexus RX. Police chap - who was excellent and very helpful - said they're becoming a more popular target. Maybe there's a new hack for them, or maybe all the local range rovers are already in a shipping container.

I believe they go in through the wheel arch and somehow turn the engine on. Seen it a lot online on RXs and Toyota Rav-4s. If you put stolen rx/rav4 in on YouTube there's loads of videos of them doing it.

[samoht]

carlove said:

I believe they go in through the wheel arch and somehow turn the engine on. Seen it a lot online on RXs and Toyota Rav-4s. If you put stolen rx/rav4 in on YouTube there's loads of videos of them doing it.

I imagine they can access the OBD-II port that way, then connect a device that talks to the ECU and persuades it to fire up.

In which case keyless go / entry isn't necessarily the relevant factor here.


I suggest buying something really obscure, because the crims won't bother working out how to bypass the security, they'd be spending their whole life just waiting to find one to nick.

Something like this 1-owner, low mileage SAAB 9-5 - comfy, petrol, automatic
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202209059...


or a Suzuki Kizashi
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202211191...

or an Infiniti Q50
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202301293...
or QX70 if she would like another SUV
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202208108...

Edited by samoht on Sunday 26th February 22:11

[TonyG2003]

Nicest car without keyless go/entry? Plenty of Porsche models you can order without keyless go/entry.