Nissan Leaf (40KWh Gen 2) - go on educate me
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Hi All,
I confess I have not yet considered a pure EV, mainly on purchase price grounds. The only one I have ever considered is a used i3, although the range is a bit rubbish and would not allow my wife to get to the far reaches of Dorset and back (100miles max) for her work.
In terms of practicality with regards to charging we have no issues as we have a big driveway and space for a wall mounted charger if needed.
So this Leaf has appeared locally - it is a 2018 Tekna with a fairly chunky 76k miles. Price is £12.5k.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202303135...
What is good and what is not about these and would 76K miles be offputting at all for an EV? Our safe-bet approach will be a small automatic petrol car of some type up to about the same budget.
Thanks
I confess I have not yet considered a pure EV, mainly on purchase price grounds. The only one I have ever considered is a used i3, although the range is a bit rubbish and would not allow my wife to get to the far reaches of Dorset and back (100miles max) for her work.
In terms of practicality with regards to charging we have no issues as we have a big driveway and space for a wall mounted charger if needed.
So this Leaf has appeared locally - it is a 2018 Tekna with a fairly chunky 76k miles. Price is £12.5k.
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202303135...
What is good and what is not about these and would 76K miles be offputting at all for an EV? Our safe-bet approach will be a small automatic petrol car of some type up to about the same budget.
Thanks
Don't think there is anything to be concerned about, best place to check would be here https://www.speakev.com.
From what I gather about the Leaf is that it's really a "local" car, ideal for overnight charging and a regular commute within its range.
I know that applies to most EV's really but if you want to take it on longer trips and use rapid chargers the charging on it can be *slow* because of a lack of thermal management (ie no pre-heating). That doesn't mean you can't, just that it may take longer than a different brand EV (and of course substantially longer than a ICE if you're going for a really long trip).
A quick google on the subject: https://yourmotorguide.com/nissan-leaf-charging-pr...
I know that applies to most EV's really but if you want to take it on longer trips and use rapid chargers the charging on it can be *slow* because of a lack of thermal management (ie no pre-heating). That doesn't mean you can't, just that it may take longer than a different brand EV (and of course substantially longer than a ICE if you're going for a really long trip).
A quick google on the subject: https://yourmotorguide.com/nissan-leaf-charging-pr...
I had the original Leaf and ran it to 90k miles with zero issues.
It was very solid and all I needed during nearly 3 years ownership was a new set of tyres.
It was even on it's original brake pads.
I did test the MK2 and it felt very similar with a bit more go and range.
£100 more per month to Lease meant it didn't stack up.
It was very solid and all I needed during nearly 3 years ownership was a new set of tyres.
It was even on it's original brake pads.
I did test the MK2 and it felt very similar with a bit more go and range.
£100 more per month to Lease meant it didn't stack up.
Best value money EV (used wise)
THe only downside, if memory serves correctly is theyre air cooled as opposed to liquid cooled batteries.
So battery life, theoretically, is lower.
However, I have seeen cabbies with 130-140k mileage and still report a range of about 120-130 comfortably in summer.
The Tekna is a great spec with 360 camera, front and rear heated seats and gen2 has applecarplay/android auto
Full charge at home should take 16 hours.
8 hours overnight is 50%. wouldnt bother fitting home charger, maybe an external 3pin port
THe only downside, if memory serves correctly is theyre air cooled as opposed to liquid cooled batteries.
So battery life, theoretically, is lower.
However, I have seeen cabbies with 130-140k mileage and still report a range of about 120-130 comfortably in summer.
The Tekna is a great spec with 360 camera, front and rear heated seats and gen2 has applecarplay/android auto
Full charge at home should take 16 hours.
8 hours overnight is 50%. wouldnt bother fitting home charger, maybe an external 3pin port
Thank you very much all. Very interesting reading indeed.. There is another one (about 40 miles away) with 26kmiles less on it for only £500 more that is nice looking. https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202303195... This one has its own YouTube video from the previous sale if you google the number plate.
Time to mull.
Time to mull.
Downward said:
Mad to see how the prices have dropped on these.
Maybe down from £12-13k then to £9-10k today, for 50-75k miles 2018/19 cars.I have a sense that other EVs have actually lost more than that proportionally through 2023, the Stellantis cars have lost a third or more I think typically.
I have the sense the early Ioniqs are a better bet than the Leaf, but I know they have their fans.
There was a definite 'price correction' for EVs last year. I'd expect to see more normal rates of depreciation through this year, as they've found a level now where there are interested buyers. I guess more EVs will continue to come off leases, although the number of two and three year old cars may be lower than normal due to the chip shortages hitting production in 2021-22. So values should continue to decline, but without the big drop seen last year.
Yes, there seem to be several basically brand new (pre-reg) 39kw Leafs for £15,995 on Autotrader now. Not regarded as the best EV....but don't tend to throw up many issues....pretty good value i'd say. At 16k new they're pretty much half the RRP! (Cheapest delivery mile 62k model is £22k)
Also, i noticed there are a few pre-reg Corsa EVs for around the same amount.
Also, i noticed there are a few pre-reg Corsa EVs for around the same amount.
Edited by M1C on Monday 30th December 16:50
M1C said:
Yes, there seem to be several basically brand new (pre-reg) 39kw Leafs for £15,995 on Autotrader now. Not regarded as the best EV....but don't tend to throw up many issues....pretty good value i'd say. At 16k new they're pretty much half the RRP! (Cheapest delivery mile 62k model is £22k)
Also, i noticed there are a few pre-reg Corsa EVs for around the same amount.
I have been looking , new and used for about three months . I takes me ages to decide. Prices continue to fall, quite a bit in December. It makes it hard to buy as you never know when they are going to stop dropping.Also, i noticed there are a few pre-reg Corsa EVs for around the same amount.
Edited by M1C on Monday 30th December 16:50
I think I will call January my low point and buy .
It's worth noting that the Leaf has a specific limitation which makes it impractical for road trips, namely that it will only fast-charge once per 24 hours. Subsequent charges will be capped at 20 kW, meaning you spend as long plugged in as you do driving. See https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&... for details. This only affects the Leaf, since other EVs have battery cooling systems to avoid the problem.
So the Leaf is worth considering for more local use, but something like the Corsa or an Ioniq will work much better if you do want to do any longer trips. And if longer trips are at all frequent, a 64 kWh Hyundai/Kia is probably best vfm range-wise.
Anyway it's probably best for new posters to start a new thread with their budget, driving distances and other requirements so they can be advised accordingly.
In terms of prices they will continue to drop as they're nearly-new everyday vehicles whose spec is getting older, even if you're comparing brand new or pre-reg examples over time. Equally whatever you're driving now is probably losing some value, albeit more slowly, and a (home charged) EV will typically save ~£900 a year on fuel, so there are also savings to making the switch.
Agree with above.
If I had £14-15k to spend on an EV it would be something like this:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202411226...
If I had £14-15k to spend on an EV it would be something like this:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202411226...
We've had a leaf for the last 4yrs..an og 2011 for 18months then a 2019 40kwh Tekna for the remaining time.
As stated they are the perfect car for anything within it's range, and then still ok for anything that might need a single rapid charge.
Only a couple of criticisms. The ergonomics, for me, at 6'4" are not brilliant. Steering wheel only adjust for rakenot reach, and my left knee presses into the centre console in a slightly uncomfortable way....I just can't get 100% conformable in it. It's also very tight when you've got 3 kids and a dog. But it's mainly used by my Mrs, who's short AF.
The spec is ace though, I've added wireless charging and wireless android auto to ours, can't fault it really. Saying that we are due a change, I want something bigger and with better range so it can be used for 99% of family journeys rather than the 50% it does now. And for this I absolutely cannot stop coming round to a Tesla model Y.
So, treat this as a mild plug....if anyones after a 2019 tekna with circa 25k miles on it, in that funky spring cloud (metallic light green) colour....give me a shout!
As stated they are the perfect car for anything within it's range, and then still ok for anything that might need a single rapid charge.
Only a couple of criticisms. The ergonomics, for me, at 6'4" are not brilliant. Steering wheel only adjust for rakenot reach, and my left knee presses into the centre console in a slightly uncomfortable way....I just can't get 100% conformable in it. It's also very tight when you've got 3 kids and a dog. But it's mainly used by my Mrs, who's short AF.
The spec is ace though, I've added wireless charging and wireless android auto to ours, can't fault it really. Saying that we are due a change, I want something bigger and with better range so it can be used for 99% of family journeys rather than the 50% it does now. And for this I absolutely cannot stop coming round to a Tesla model Y.
So, treat this as a mild plug....if anyones after a 2019 tekna with circa 25k miles on it, in that funky spring cloud (metallic light green) colour....give me a shout!
dave_s13 said:
Only a couple of criticisms. The ergonomics, for me, at 6'4" are not brilliant. Steering wheel only adjust for rakenot reach, and my left knee presses into the centre console in a slightly uncomfortable way....I just can't get 100% conformable in it. It's also very tight when you've got 3 kids and a dog. But it's mainly used by my Mrs, who's short AF.
Yeah, I had this issue with the Leaf. They did actually introduce reach adjustment in late 2020, I found that made it much comfier for me (the reach adjust range is pretty small, but the whole wheel is also further from the dash so overall much better for those of us needing room for longer legs). As you say, the original is fine for some people, it depends on body shape.So can anyone advise me too..I have an Astra diesel , for commuting. An old work horse, doing a round trip to work daily of 58 miles. So lets say its 60 miles a day.
I probably spend £200 per month on diesel. Now I have been looking at Nissan Leaf's on PCP to compare that with fuel costs. You can get a Leaf , including 22 reg plates, for around £180 per month for 4 years with a small deposit.
No I don't want to get a car for the sake of it on PCP but it might mean I get a nice newish car along with cheap running costs, for little over what I currently spend.
Would battery size play a big part in what I would need?
If I am doing 60 miles per day, say on average five days per week, what will my electric costs likely be a month? Will I likely break even or be spending more money?
I would need to invest in a charger too.
Also Octupus now do cars on CPC with packages including road tax, servicing and MOT's.
I know nothing about electric cars!
I probably spend £200 per month on diesel. Now I have been looking at Nissan Leaf's on PCP to compare that with fuel costs. You can get a Leaf , including 22 reg plates, for around £180 per month for 4 years with a small deposit.
No I don't want to get a car for the sake of it on PCP but it might mean I get a nice newish car along with cheap running costs, for little over what I currently spend.
Would battery size play a big part in what I would need?
If I am doing 60 miles per day, say on average five days per week, what will my electric costs likely be a month? Will I likely break even or be spending more money?
I would need to invest in a charger too.
Also Octupus now do cars on CPC with packages including road tax, servicing and MOT's.
I know nothing about electric cars!
Probably better to start a new thread than resurrect an old one.
But EV costs depends on how efficient the car is, and where/how you charge.
Some inefficient audi or merc EV relying on expensive motorway public charging infrastructure could be at least as expensive as diesel to run (excluding servicing costs).
A dacia spring which is most efficient EV you can buy, is capable of over 5 miles per kwh being charged at home might work out at £2.50 or under for a full charge and 125 miles range. If on agile sometimes you might get paid to charge your car and make £0.30p or so, especially at weekend and it's windy.
Only probllem with 2nd hand PCP is the extortionate interest costs (usually 8 - 15%) eat in to the savings
But EV costs depends on how efficient the car is, and where/how you charge.
Some inefficient audi or merc EV relying on expensive motorway public charging infrastructure could be at least as expensive as diesel to run (excluding servicing costs).
A dacia spring which is most efficient EV you can buy, is capable of over 5 miles per kwh being charged at home might work out at £2.50 or under for a full charge and 125 miles range. If on agile sometimes you might get paid to charge your car and make £0.30p or so, especially at weekend and it's windy.
Only probllem with 2nd hand PCP is the extortionate interest costs (usually 8 - 15%) eat in to the savings
200 quid a month on diesel is probably about 16k miles per year? About 15p/mile?
An EV doing 3 or 4 miles per kWh will be saving money depending on your tariff, don't forget you might pay a bit more for your peak rate use at home.
It's still going to cost you 3 or 4 p a mile. 30 or 40 quid a month. So the real cost is the deposit, plus the monthly plus the power.
But, keeping the diesel, the real cost is not just the fuel, even a shed depreciates, and needs servicing and repairing.
Personally, I do less miles, and I don't think it's worth selling the diesel I have.
However when the choice becomes 'buy another diesel' vs 'buy an EV', that is more of a valid comparison.
A lot comes down from what value you place on enjoying owning/driving whichever car, whether you 'value' being free from ongoing finance commitments etc.
Generally, driving costs money and the fuel is only part of that.
An EV doing 3 or 4 miles per kWh will be saving money depending on your tariff, don't forget you might pay a bit more for your peak rate use at home.
It's still going to cost you 3 or 4 p a mile. 30 or 40 quid a month. So the real cost is the deposit, plus the monthly plus the power.
But, keeping the diesel, the real cost is not just the fuel, even a shed depreciates, and needs servicing and repairing.
Personally, I do less miles, and I don't think it's worth selling the diesel I have.
However when the choice becomes 'buy another diesel' vs 'buy an EV', that is more of a valid comparison.
A lot comes down from what value you place on enjoying owning/driving whichever car, whether you 'value' being free from ongoing finance commitments etc.
Generally, driving costs money and the fuel is only part of that.
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