new Euro 7 emission requirements and should I buy a diesel?

[Emmaster]

Hi everyone, new poster here, Ive been doing some research on the new euro 7 emission requirements and it appears that the EU published back in April that the new standards will be implemented in 30 months time for "new types of cars" and in 42 months time for "new cars". I have attached the link below. My question is what will this mean for all of our existing low emission zones like ULEZ? I was thinking of buying a used diesel as I do well over 20k miles annually but am concerned that as soon as euro 7 comes out ill have to pay to take it into cities like London and Birmingham. I usually keep my cars for a long time when I upgrade so am not too keen to have to change again in a few years time. I guess my question really boils down to how likely do you all think it is for ULEZ to upgraded to euro 7 and is it wise for me to buy a used diesel at this time? Your advice is greatly appreciated

edit: sorry I can't post any links as I'm in in my first 14days on this forum but if you google council of Europe euro 7 you can see the requirements and the timeline of implementation.

[nic865]

Nobody can say.

The current rules are an absolute joke as it stands.

In Newcastle Upon Tyne the ULEZ zone only applies to vans. Work that one out.

If you are an office worker you can drive a smoky old Diesel car no problem, even though you could easily get the train in.

If you are a bricklayer you have to pay £12.50 a day to bring a Euro 5 Transit in. Pretty fu5king hard to bring a pallet of bricks and a cement mixer on the bus.

[Truckosaurus]

Emmaster said:

.... is it wise for me to buy a used diesel at this time?....

If I was planning on buying a car to commute in a big city then I'd be looking at a petrol (or petrol hybrid) engine for reliability and be more likely to be 'safe' from ULEZ restrictions for a longer time.

(eg. my ancient Euro4 petrol is good for London ULEZ)

[Lester H]

As Nic rightly says, nobody knows. However It’s a fair assumption that the govt is going to penalise diesel, then petrol and ,lastly, hybrid. I’d look out for a petrol hybrid. After middle age, diesels present awkward problems with DPFs. EGRs., high pressure fuel pumps, etc are pain in the wallet and other places. Welcome to PH.

Edited by Lester H on Thursday 5th December 21:56

Edited by Lester H on Thursday 5th December 21:58

[ZX10R NIN]

The next set of changes will be Euro based so the next hit will be Euro 4/5 petrols then anything Euro6 BUT that's a long way off.

So yes buy a diesel but make sure it's a Euro6 or even better a diesel hybrid.

[ACCYSTAN]

There are 3 firms set to enter the uk commercial van sector in next 2 years

Kia and 2 Chinese brands

All will offer electric and petrol/hybrid vans, I don’t think any are planning on offer diesel

This should put those manufacturers in a good place when euro 7 hits especially as UK lawmakers generally target UK commercial vehicles for taxes.

[PT1984]

My 2015 manual Volvo V40 D4 is Euro 6 and is free in all ULEZ zones and is £0 to tax. Until E7 is fully implemented it meets the current regs. I just don’t believe they will punish E6 straight away.

My thoughts remain. They just need to start to tax and ULEZ charge pre- DPF and catalyst vehicles so they are uneconomical for most. And heavily fine those vehicles with these emission control devices removed. Sorry

Get yourself a late low mileage E6 diesel. You’ll be fine.

Edited by PT1984 on Friday 6th December 13:14

[normalbloke]

The only thing this thread tells you with certainty, is that nobody knows.

[OutInTheShed]

normalbloke said:

The only thing this thread tells you with certainty, is that nobody knows.

Indeed.

My view is that you can't see very far ahead.
We could be looking at Zero Emission Zones before long.
https://tfl.gov.uk/info-for/boroughs-and-communiti...

Hence I'm only prepared to buy a car which I'll get the value out of in a fairly short time.
At this point in my life, I might have been expected to be buying a car to last me 10 years.
I think IC cars could shed a lot of value in the next 4/5 years as EVs just look like lower total cost in many areas of the market.