Comfortable, automatic hot hatch
Discussion
For the wife ( and myself once in a while) , 4 doors, automatic that has a good ride comfort. Decently roomy and reliable would also be nice as would a characterfull engine.
The Macan I consider more of a large hatch but its too expensive for the use case.
MK 7.5 GTI
S3
Any other suggestions?
The Macan I consider more of a large hatch but its too expensive for the use case.
MK 7.5 GTI
S3
Any other suggestions?
On the VW front the older R32 with the VR6 might fit well?
There's also the Toyota Blade Master-G, an Auris with the 3.5 V6 as per various Lotuses.
https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/toyota/auris/...
How much do you want to spend?
RS300:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202407111...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202409204...
Giulietta Veloce TBI:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202410175...
128ti:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202410115...
M135i:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202401115...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202410125...
RS300:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202407111...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202409204...
Giulietta Veloce TBI:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202410175...
128ti:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202410115...
M135i:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202401115...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202410125...
Ideally it should be up to 15 tsd. pricewise.
She had an Infiniti EX37s that she did not jive with very much. She would like something a bit more compact and easier to park, the Infinitis packaging was laugfhable (large outside, very small inside) with a horrible turning circle and stiff ride. She would like good visibility and talks about a slightly raised ride height but I cannot bring myself to buy any of these crossovers, although some of them look ok (Renault Captur, Mazda CX30).
I also use the car myself once in a while and I would like a bit of poke, so around 200 horses would be nice, especially if it has a good automatik transmission.
She had an Infiniti EX37s that she did not jive with very much. She would like something a bit more compact and easier to park, the Infinitis packaging was laugfhable (large outside, very small inside) with a horrible turning circle and stiff ride. She would like good visibility and talks about a slightly raised ride height but I cannot bring myself to buy any of these crossovers, although some of them look ok (Renault Captur, Mazda CX30).
I also use the car myself once in a while and I would like a bit of poke, so around 200 horses would be nice, especially if it has a good automatik transmission.
flatso said:
For the wife ( and myself once in a while) , 4 doors, automatic that has a good ride comfort. Decently roomy and reliable would also be nice as would a characterfull engine.
The Macan I consider more of a large hatch but its too expensive for the use case.
MK 7.5 GTI
S3
Any other suggestions?
If you're looking at the VAG family then the Cupra Leon and Skoda Octavia VRS spring to mindThe Macan I consider more of a large hatch but its too expensive for the use case.
MK 7.5 GTI
S3
Any other suggestions?
I have a 2023 Audi S3 I bought new. We were driving around in 2 sports cars and Mrs 968CS volunteered to give hers up for something more practical, provided she still could get enthusiastic about it. We tested:
Macan (lovely, I just couldn't bring myself to spend the money)
Mini Cooper JCW (really fun little thing. Loved it, but way too stiff and unpleasant for regular use)
Audi RSQ3 (stupid, hideous, ridiculous sounding blob)
Golf R (very nice but also, there's a lot of Golfs around)
Jaguar E Pace (really dull and best thing the sales guys could come up with to sway us was the mummy and baby jaguar puddle light!)
When we drove the S3 we immediately knew it was the right car. As an Audi, it's a nice place to be and as sports car owners (old 911 and Z4) it felt much bigger. In Dynamic it is pretty quick and tight, but we now almost always drive it in Economy where it is just a relaxing, smooth, luxury car! I know it's not everyone's taste (what car is?) but it really works for us. Difficult to fault except for one thing - no electric seat adjustment which is really annoying as we have very different driving positions! Also, the boot is quite small, but no worse than any similar type of car. Goes really well and is huge fun when you want it and the rest of the time, it feels like a pretty high quality relaxing place to be
Macan (lovely, I just couldn't bring myself to spend the money)
Mini Cooper JCW (really fun little thing. Loved it, but way too stiff and unpleasant for regular use)
Audi RSQ3 (stupid, hideous, ridiculous sounding blob)
Golf R (very nice but also, there's a lot of Golfs around)
Jaguar E Pace (really dull and best thing the sales guys could come up with to sway us was the mummy and baby jaguar puddle light!)
When we drove the S3 we immediately knew it was the right car. As an Audi, it's a nice place to be and as sports car owners (old 911 and Z4) it felt much bigger. In Dynamic it is pretty quick and tight, but we now almost always drive it in Economy where it is just a relaxing, smooth, luxury car! I know it's not everyone's taste (what car is?) but it really works for us. Difficult to fault except for one thing - no electric seat adjustment which is really annoying as we have very different driving positions! Also, the boot is quite small, but no worse than any similar type of car. Goes really well and is huge fun when you want it and the rest of the time, it feels like a pretty high quality relaxing place to be
Gixer968CS said:
I have a 2023 Audi S3 I bought new. We were driving around in 2 sports cars and Mrs 968CS volunteered to give hers up for something more practical, provided she still could get enthusiastic about it. We tested:
Macan (lovely, I just couldn't bring myself to spend the money)
Mini Cooper JCW (really fun little thing. Loved it, but way too stiff and unpleasant for regular use)
Audi RSQ3 (stupid, hideous, ridiculous sounding blob)
Golf R (very nice but also, there's a lot of Golfs around)
Jaguar E Pace (really dull and best thing the sales guys could come up with to sway us was the mummy and baby jaguar puddle light!)
When we drove the S3 we immediately knew it was the right car. As an Audi, it's a nice place to be and as sports car owners (old 911 and Z4) it felt much bigger. In Dynamic it is pretty quick and tight, but we now almost always drive it in Economy where it is just a relaxing, smooth, luxury car! I know it's not everyone's taste (what car is?) but it really works for us. Difficult to fault except for one thing - no electric seat adjustment which is really annoying as we have very different driving positions! Also, the boot is quite small, but no worse than any similar type of car. Goes really well and is huge fun when you want it and the rest of the time, it feels like a pretty high quality relaxing place to be
A 2023 S3 is more than double the price of the OPs £15k budget though.Macan (lovely, I just couldn't bring myself to spend the money)
Mini Cooper JCW (really fun little thing. Loved it, but way too stiff and unpleasant for regular use)
Audi RSQ3 (stupid, hideous, ridiculous sounding blob)
Golf R (very nice but also, there's a lot of Golfs around)
Jaguar E Pace (really dull and best thing the sales guys could come up with to sway us was the mummy and baby jaguar puddle light!)
When we drove the S3 we immediately knew it was the right car. As an Audi, it's a nice place to be and as sports car owners (old 911 and Z4) it felt much bigger. In Dynamic it is pretty quick and tight, but we now almost always drive it in Economy where it is just a relaxing, smooth, luxury car! I know it's not everyone's taste (what car is?) but it really works for us. Difficult to fault except for one thing - no electric seat adjustment which is really annoying as we have very different driving positions! Also, the boot is quite small, but no worse than any similar type of car. Goes really well and is huge fun when you want it and the rest of the time, it feels like a pretty high quality relaxing place to be
For non-categorised cars £15k looks to get you into a 2017 car. Still very nice and a good suggestion!
I wanted something similar and opted for a late MK3.5 Leon Cupra. You get more kit as standard including DCC compared to the other VAG hot hatches and about 50bhp more compared to a Gti performance.
FWD saves you around 100kg if that isn't a deal breaker, I really wanted an I30N but the extra weight and less power was noticeable.
Good at everything, great at some things and class leading at nothing.(apart from maybe being a discreet all rounder)
FWD saves you around 100kg if that isn't a deal breaker, I really wanted an I30N but the extra weight and less power was noticeable.
Good at everything, great at some things and class leading at nothing.(apart from maybe being a discreet all rounder)
flatso said:
Yes the S3 (basically a Golf R in drag) is interesting and it is on my radar. The new style interior is .ot feally my thing and the previosus one looks dated.
If there is an adaptive suspension option it would tick a lot of boxes.
A Klass Merc?
Hyundai N?
M135i:If there is an adaptive suspension option it would tick a lot of boxes.
A Klass Merc?
Hyundai N?
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202409093...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202409113...
240i:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202402186...
CLA 250 AMG Engineered:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202410215...
A250 AMG Engineered:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202409113...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202408072...
Just over budget but add 1k & you can get the newer shape A250 these are a big step up interior wise from the C:A/A250's above:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202409284...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202410235...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202410084...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202410155...
Cupra 300:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202409274...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202408122...
Clio RS220 Trophy Nav:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202404299...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202409264...
Megane GT Nav:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202410145...
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202407041...
Kia ProCeed GT:
https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202410235...
flatso said:
Ideally it should be up to 15 tsd. pricewise.
She had an Infiniti EX37s that she did not jive with very much. She would like something a bit more compact and easier to park, the Infinitis packaging was laugfhable (large outside, very small inside) with a horrible turning circle and stiff ride. She would like good visibility and talks about a slightly raised ride height but I cannot bring myself to buy any of these crossovers, although some of them look ok (Renault Captur, Mazda CX30).
I also use the car myself once in a while and I would like a bit of poke, so around 200 horses would be nice, especially if it has a good automatik transmission.
Toyota Corolla, the 190bhp version.She had an Infiniti EX37s that she did not jive with very much. She would like something a bit more compact and easier to park, the Infinitis packaging was laugfhable (large outside, very small inside) with a horrible turning circle and stiff ride. She would like good visibility and talks about a slightly raised ride height but I cannot bring myself to buy any of these crossovers, although some of them look ok (Renault Captur, Mazda CX30).
I also use the car myself once in a while and I would like a bit of poke, so around 200 horses would be nice, especially if it has a good automatik transmission.
A new Toyota CH R comes in a 223bhp version. Not sure about the old model. I think it there was version with the same 2.0 190bhp hybrid set up as the Corolla.
Volvo XC40 T5 came with a 250bhp petrol, although that will probably be above your budget. It has a very comfortable ride, and was fun to drive in its own way. Its relatively compact, I think 4450mm long from memory.
The Macan is large, it’s a D segment car. Even if in budget, from what you said, I can’t believe your Mrs would be happy driving a car even larger than an EX37.
Edited by wyson on Thursday 24th October 00:05
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