Car for new driver early 20s, auto only

[Johnson897210]

Thinking Piccanto or similar, that said EV depreciation has shown me some incredibly cheap Leafs, Zoes and MX30s but I guess the range on those is so bad as to be pretty much unusable for anyone except the true climate martyrs…

Anymore ideas welcome!

[mike13]

I had a picanto auto on holiday last month, it was a horribly noticeable gear change, would drive you mad long term.

[Count897]

EVs best avoided - if the batteries don't crap out through degradation there'll be minimal range left of such a minimal range to start with; and for god's sake avoid anything with a battery lease. Worthless junk at this point really.

[Baldchap]

Count897 said:

EVs best avoided - if the batteries don't crap out through degradation there'll be minimal range left of such a minimal range to start with; and for god's sake avoid anything with a battery lease. Worthless junk at this point really.

They don't do that. Check the data.

[ZX10R NIN]

How much are you looking to spend? On a 1st car I'd be looking at spending a max of 5k.

[Johnson897210]

ZX10R NIN said:

How much are you looking to spend? On a 1st car I'd be looking at spending a max of 5k.

Good point I should’ve mentioned earlier, the budget is 10k.

[Count897]

Baldchap said:

They don't do that. Check the data.

I've seen the Tesla "battery degradation graph". Clue: it was drawn by Tesla. Meanwhile in the real world batteries can and do fail after a few years which can easily be replaced in your ICE, but will write off your EV. Heaven help you though if they catch fire...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/2005049/el...

[Masiv]

Yaris.

[Johnson897210]

Masiv said:

Yaris.

Yes good shout. Aygo/Picanto may be cheaper insurance but will have to drive & see how bad the automated manuals actually are.

[mmm-five]

Count897 said:

I've seen the Tesla "battery degradation graph". Clue: it was drawn by Tesla. Meanwhile in the real world batteries can and do fail after a few years which can easily be replaced in your ICE, but will write off your EV. Heaven help you though if they catch fire...

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/2005049/el...

Better be careful of rocks falling from the sky too (hint: that happens more frequently than Tesla/EV fires).

I'm not an EV-lover by a long way, but at least I can resist becoming an anti-EV troll!

[Johnson897210]

My fault for mentioning EVs, I just couldn't believe how cheap they have now become, but I know they can be a bit 'marmite'.

Wouldn't rule EV out but the MX30 range for example just seems unusable, particularly if it varies in the cold / rain etc. That said my intent is not to start another EV vs ICE discussion; but all sensible suggestions welcome. Thanks

[rfn]

Yaris Hybrid, or if EV, an i3. £10k will get you in to a 42kWh one with a winter range of 120-140 and summer range of 160-180.

[ZX10R NIN]

Kia Rio would get my vote but check the insurance:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202501148...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202501067...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202501047...

i20 Premium:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202501027...

Clio GT Line Nav:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202501178...

Dynamique S Nav:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202501178...

[Johnson897210]

food for thought, many thanks

[CG2020UK]

I’ve drove the latest shape Peugeot 208 in automatic and found it really good.

Bit of budget creep unfortunately.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202501258...

[ATG]

Johnson897210 said:

Thinking Piccanto or similar, that said EV depreciation has shown me some incredibly cheap Leafs, Zoes and MX30s but I guess the range on those is so bad as to be pretty much unusable for anyone except the true climate martyrs…

Anymore ideas welcome!

"First car", fine, but what's the requirement? Is this for a kid living at home to get them to and from work? It is it for a student to take to university, and they'll also use it to get to and from home? Are they also going to be named parties on your own car/s?

[Johnson897210]

ATG said:

"First car", fine, but what's the requirement? Is this for a kid living at home to get them to and from work? It is it for a student to take to university, and they'll also use it to get to and from home? Are they also going to be named parties on your own car/s?

Yes / no but they may do some long distance occasionally / no.