Family run about

[Aston699]

Looking to replace a 15 year old Yaris, reliability probably my key priority as can't be arsed dealing with garage issues.

Not interested in EVs or plug in hybrids given the new Rachel Thieves' tax where they can move the goalposts at any time.

Did look at a Rav 4 but used prices seem to have gone crazy in recent years. Would do like for like but doing some longer mileage trips rules out another Yaris or EV.

Lexus I like but seriously insane pricing currently. Any non-EV ideas welcome!

[Matt_T]

1. What is your budget?
2. Paying cash or monthlies?
3. Size requirements - kids, dogs, estate, suv etc?
4. approx annual mileage?

[Aston699]

Matt_T said:

1. What is your budget?
2. Paying cash or monthlies?
3. Size requirements - kids, dogs, estate, suv etc?
4. approx annual mileage?

Fair questions-

1. £15k-20k
2. Cash
3. Dogs and bike, probably rule out the Yaris
4. 5,000

[Oberheim]

A Toyota Corolla hybrid estate might fit the bill. An economical and highly reliable load lugger, good to drive (IMO) with a generous spec at all trim levels.

If you do go down this avenue, try to stretch your budget to a facelift model (from Spring 2023 onwards) - these get the fifth-generation hybrid drivetrain and a better infotainment screen along with several other benefits vs pre-facelift Corollas. I have a 2024 Corolla and it just gets so many things right as a family runabout.

[maccas99]

some ideas on this thread - https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

[Matt_T]

I think that you need to decide if you want to get something Ford Focus / VW Golf size or if you want to go up to something Mondeo / Passat size.

A consideration is that a mountain bike will go in the boot of a Mondeo/Passat size car without removing the rear wheel, whereas in a Focus/Golf size car you have to remove the back wheel.

Also, at 5000 miles per yer I would get a petrol or hybrid and avoid diesel.

If you are happy with Focus/Golf size, I'd look at the below estates:
Toyota Corolla / Suzuki Swace
Hyundai i30
Honda Civic

For Mondeo/Passat size, I'd look at these estates:
Toyota Avensis (petrol)
Mazda 6 (petrol)
Ford Mondeo (2.0 petrol, avoid 1.5 petrol)
Kia Optima (most are diesel but some are hybrid).

And if you like an SUV:
Mitsubishi Outlander (hybrid or petrol without hybrid available)
Toyota RAV4
Honda CRV
Kia Sportage/Hyundai Tuscon (same car).
Suzuki Vitara (quite small but great value for money)

Edited by Matt_T on Friday 16th January 15:50

[Jag_NE]

Aston699 said:

Looking to replace a 15 year old Yaris, reliability probably my key priority as can't be arsed dealing with garage issues.

Not interested in EVs or plug in hybrids given the new Rachel Thieves' tax where they can move the goalposts at any time.

Did look at a Rav 4 but used prices seem to have gone crazy in recent years. Would do like for like but doing some longer mileage trips rules out another Yaris or EV.

Lexus I like but seriously insane pricing currently. Any non-EV ideas welcome!

Stay away from EV's. They are a better fit for people who are good at maths.

[A500leroy]

Yaris cross?

[ZX10R NIN]

2.5 Mazda6 GT Sport Nav+:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202601038...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202512208...

2.5h Kuga Vignale:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202505082...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202511107...

ST Line X:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202512028...

Mondeo Vignale:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202601078...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202512208...

2,0T Arteon Estate:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202510066...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202511197...

V60:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202509036...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202512228...

[Ian Geary]

I'm not an ev evangelist, but I can do maths.

Fuel duty is 53p ish per litre, and at 45mpg (a carefully driven yaris) a litre gets about 10 miles.

So that's 5.3p per mile in duty, plus the fuel cost itself.

Rachel Reeves charge is 3p per mile ev. So you're paying a lower duty rate, and the fuel is cheaper ( i cba to work out the difference in the non-duty part of pump prices and compare to domestic electricity per mile, but I'm pretty sure it is cheaper)

Sure, the goal posts can be moved (again) but to me it would be unlikely a government would make ev more expensive than petrol.

When I looked into it, tax savings were offset by higher insurance for evs.

The car still needs to work for of course, and i found few ev or even hybrid vehicles that suited.

Ian

[Aston699]

Thanks all for the sensible suggestions, the EVangelism is unnecessary and yes I can do maths...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/art...

[Mammasaid]

Aston699 said:

Thanks all for the sensible suggestions, the EVangelism is unnecessary and yes I can do maths...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/art...

That should work in your favour, used EVs are good value and you can get a better car for your money.

Don't forget that Rachel from Accounts is this year (not the 2028 for the ppm for EVs) adding back the 5ppl fuel duty tax cut AND then increasing it by inflation every year. So by 2028 when the EV tax comes in petrol will be at least 9ppl more expensive than currently.

[Aston699]

Mammasaid said:

Aston699 said:

Thanks all for the sensible suggestions, the EVangelism is unnecessary and yes I can do maths...

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/money/electriccars/art...

That should work in your favour, used EVs are good value and you can get a better car for your money.

Don't forget that Rachel from Accounts is this year (not the 2028 for the ppm for EVs) adding back the 5ppl fuel duty tax cut AND then increasing it by inflation every year. So by 2028 when the EV tax comes in petrol will be at least 9ppl more expensive than currently.

Jesus Christ what is with the EVangelism on this site. As I don't want an EV, how does it work in my favour?

Depreciation is the highest cost of car ownership usually, if the depreciation rate is very high initially, it does not suddenly mean they stop depreciating after the first three years. A high rate will most likely continue to wipe out the used values too, particularly since most only have battery warranty for eight years.