£10k family wagon...

[ThisInJapanese]

So it looks like I'm rejecting my very broken Skoda EV and hopefully I'll be able to get out of the lease.

However.

This means I will need a car to chug around in. Requiments are more rear legroom that a 3 Series / C Class. Ideally diesel as it is going to do some big runs. Lots of space and ability to put the seats down for carrying stuff

Don't care about driver dynamics as that's covered off elsewhere. Can't be a Skoda.

What's worth looking at?

[ZX10R NIN]

QX50, both have adaptive cruise 360 cameras bluetooth streaming ULEZ compliant & pretty much fully loaded:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202601179...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202602059...

70:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202603090...

Santa Fe Premium SE:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202603090...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202509196...

Grand Cherokee:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202504121...

2.0d Koleos:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202602089...

Touareg:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202603090...

Edited by ZX10R NIN on Thursday 12th March 18:55

[Russet Grange]

RAV4 worth a look. I'm a huge fan and love my current 2017 2.0 diesel.

[CSR Performance]

I would normally say Skoda Superb for this brief

Mondeo or E-Class would be the other alternatives I would look at.

[Vsix and Vtec]

Freelander 2 2.2TDCi, big enough for all the family stuff, well built enough to not be much of a headache to run, and a very nice thing to get around in no matter what the weather or terrain.

[Pickle_Rick]

I presume you want reliability this time, so forget VW, audi, BMW and merc.


Toyota Auris touring in 1.8 hybrid format. Utterly dull to drive, especially being an estate, but will do 400,000 miles. Excel has all the toys.

Or if that is too small, then there's the avensis estate, available in diesel, which sounds exciting.

[stevemcs]

Mondeo would be a good car.

[ThisInJapanese]

ZX10R NIN said:

QX50, both have adaptive cruise bluetooth streaming ULEZ compliant & pretty much fully loaded:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202601179...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202602059...

70:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202603090...

Santa Fe Premium SE:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202603090...

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202509196...

Grand Cherokee:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202504121...

2.0d Koleos:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202602089...

Touareg:

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202603090...

Wow, thanks, lots of interesting stuff I would have never considered there.

What are the running costs on the Infinitis like? I've never considered them, but the MPG looks pretty poor.

The Hyundai and Jeep added the short list, although it might be too much like an Florida rental car, but has potential.

The Renault and VW are very interesting, I didn't think I could get a Touareg for that money, I wonder if they will be a money pit...

[ThisInJapanese]

Russet Grange said:

RAV4 worth a look. I'm a huge fan and love my current 2017 2.0 diesel.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202505092226772

This generation? I was knocked off my bike by a new one a couple of years back, never considered them before. What's the space in the back like?

[ThisInJapanese]

CSR Performance said:

I would normally say Skoda Superb for this brief

Mondeo or E-Class would be the other alternatives I would look at.

Yes, the Superb would be the brief, but to add to my woes with the Elroq, this happened in the past: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...

Mondeo has been considered, but I'm tempted by the S-Max at the moment, the van like qualities appeal a lot. E-Class is also on the list, the EV replaced my C43 which was great, but ultimately too small for my forever growing son in the back of the car!

[ThisInJapanese]

Vsix and Vtec said:

Freelander 2 2.2TDCi, big enough for all the family stuff, well built enough to not be much of a headache to run, and a very nice thing to get around in no matter what the weather or terrain.

Is that the Ingenium engine, or was that just the 2.0 diesel?

[ThisInJapanese]

Pickle_Rick said:

I presume you want reliability this time, so forget VW, audi, BMW and merc.


Toyota Auris touring in 1.8 hybrid format. Utterly dull to drive, especially being an estate, but will do 400,000 miles. Excel has all the toys.

Or if that is too small, then there's the avensis estate, available in diesel, which sounds exciting.

Yes, I think the Auris is too small, especially behind the driver.

In a world where cars don't matter the Avensis is the answer to so many questions, but even with my view on what's needed, I think I would struggle to buy one. I'll have a look though...

[WTDMM]

depends on use and size of family but the best Mk1 XC90 you can find would be a very good family wagon

[ThisInJapanese]

stevemcs said:

Mondeo would be a good car.

Yes, I used to have one, my mate has one at the moment (on my advice) and loves it. The S-Max is also an option...

[66HFM]

ThisInJapanese said:

Vsix and Vtec said:

Freelander 2 2.2TDCi, big enough for all the family stuff, well built enough to not be much of a headache to run, and a very nice thing to get around in no matter what the weather or terrain.

Is that the Ingenium engine, or was that just the 2.0 diesel?

The 2.2 is the engine to have and it definitely isn't the Ingenium, which is the 2.0 diesel.
For aound £10k you could get into a 2.2 Discovery Sport, which is a replacement for the Freelanfder.

We are looking for a 2.2 Evoque as I won't go anywhere near the 2.0

[Vsix and Vtec]

66HFM said:

ThisInJapanese said:

Vsix and Vtec said:

Freelander 2 2.2TDCi, big enough for all the family stuff, well built enough to not be much of a headache to run, and a very nice thing to get around in no matter what the weather or terrain.

Is that the Ingenium engine, or was that just the 2.0 diesel?

The 2.2 is the engine to have and it definitely isn't the Ingenium, which is the 2.0 diesel.
For aound £10k you could get into a 2.2 Discovery Sport, which is a replacement for the Freelanfder.

We are looking for a 2.2 Evoque as I won't go anywhere near the 2.0

The 2.2 TDCi is (as those who recognise the nomenclature might have suspected already) the Ford derived unit from the mid 2000's as found in the Mondeo ST-TDCi, Jaguar X Type, and various other Ford products. Its a chain driven unit, and is an evolution of the slightly older but equally bullet proof 2.0 TDCI. It has an EGR and a DPF, but no AdBlu. This engine evolved again into the SD4, which was a bit more power.

[Russet Grange]

ThisInJapanese said:

Russet Grange said:

RAV4 worth a look. I'm a huge fan and love my current 2017 2.0 diesel.

https://www.autotrader.co.uk/car-details/202505092226772

This generation? I was knocked off my bike by a new one a couple of years back, never considered them before. What's the space in the back like?

Yes, and huge.

Seats fold flat on a clever mechanism, but even with the seats up there's lot of room, and a lot of rear legroom.

Are they the last word in refinement and technology? No, but the BMW 2.0 diesel is well regarded (at least I believe it is), and you just feel like you're driving something very well engineered, solid and reliable. I think they look pretty decent too.

[ZX10R NIN]

ThisInJapanese said:

Wow, thanks, lots of interesting stuff I would have never considered there.

What are the running costs on the Infinitis like? I've never considered them, but the MPG looks pretty poor.

The Hyundai and Jeep added the short list, although it might be too much like an Florida rental car, but has potential.

The Renault and VW are very interesting, I didn't think I could get a Touareg for that money, I wonder if they will be a money pit...

They're decent cars fuel wise they're good on a run you'll see 500-600 miles per tank around town it does drop mainly because it won't select 6th until you're doing over 45mph.

Maintenance wise they're a simple cars you can get them serviced by certain Nissan dealers but a good Indy will be able to look after them.

[Matt_T]

You can get into a CR-V with the 1.6 diesel. This one is a main dealer too...

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/19842358

[ThisInJapanese]

Matt_T said:

You can get into a CR-V with the 1.6 diesel. This one is a main dealer too...

https://www.pistonheads.com/buy/listing/19842358

I've never understood the difference between a Rav4 and a CR-V, they seem to have a lot of overlap in my eyes