Help with replacement for old landcruiser
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The sad day has come when I need to replace my trusty (and now unfortunately very rusty) 2006 Land Cruiser 120.
The drivetrain and engine are fine (only 137k mikes) but the chassis not so much. And because it is a 2006 rather than a 2005, the road tax is bloody horrendous.
I need a replacement that take on the Landcruiser duties - up and down Scottish country roads and hilly dirt tracks, munching though the Scottish snow - when we get it, lots of space for the dog, good for dump runs and yet still able to cruise up and down the motorway as required.
I already have a 2018 Touareg but I don't want that to become the wrecker car.
The problem is that I'm currently "between fortunes" and so don't want to drop a ton of money on the replacement.
I have an immaculate, one owner 46k miles, yellow 2016 Megane Renaultsport 275 Cup-S to trade in against the Landcruiser replacement.
But what should that replacement be? I don't want a soft roader and I don't need a million bells and whistles. What I need is something that will handle its duties with ease as well as being reliable and tough. The obvious answer is always a Land Rover of some sort, apart from the the reliability thing.
I'd happily buy a Discovery 4 - but fear the crank will snap. I'd could even be persuaded to get a 2.0 Discovery Sport of some description - but those 2.0l engines are something of a disaster too as I understand it.
A newer model land cruiser is too much money right now - and even ones that are the same as mine are stupid money.
What am I missing?
Budget is about £15k. Could go more but I would rather be able to eat something other than spam and baked beans.
The drivetrain and engine are fine (only 137k mikes) but the chassis not so much. And because it is a 2006 rather than a 2005, the road tax is bloody horrendous.
I need a replacement that take on the Landcruiser duties - up and down Scottish country roads and hilly dirt tracks, munching though the Scottish snow - when we get it, lots of space for the dog, good for dump runs and yet still able to cruise up and down the motorway as required.
I already have a 2018 Touareg but I don't want that to become the wrecker car.
The problem is that I'm currently "between fortunes" and so don't want to drop a ton of money on the replacement.
I have an immaculate, one owner 46k miles, yellow 2016 Megane Renaultsport 275 Cup-S to trade in against the Landcruiser replacement.
But what should that replacement be? I don't want a soft roader and I don't need a million bells and whistles. What I need is something that will handle its duties with ease as well as being reliable and tough. The obvious answer is always a Land Rover of some sort, apart from the the reliability thing.
I'd happily buy a Discovery 4 - but fear the crank will snap. I'd could even be persuaded to get a 2.0 Discovery Sport of some description - but those 2.0l engines are something of a disaster too as I understand it.
A newer model land cruiser is too much money right now - and even ones that are the same as mine are stupid money.
What am I missing?
Budget is about £15k. Could go more but I would rather be able to eat something other than spam and baked beans.
TorqueDirty said:
A newer model land cruiser is too much money right now - and even ones that are the same as mine are stupid money.
You say the one's the same as yours are stupid money.Is yours repairable?
Worth getting it quoted?
A 15k budget on anything 4x4 is no way a guaranteed, reliable, workhorse.
Trevor555 said:
You say the one's the same as yours are stupid money.
Is yours repairable?
Worth getting it quoted?
A 15k budget on anything 4x4 is no way a guaranteed, reliable, workhorse.
Very fair point. Is yours repairable?
Worth getting it quoted?
A 15k budget on anything 4x4 is no way a guaranteed, reliable, workhorse.
I have been lobbing money at it for the last 4 years but its the rear chassis, rear floor and boot door that are the issue. And the expensive bit of the exhaust is also on its way out. Getting it sorted would be probably cost £5k min I reckon, and I'd still get humped on road tax every year - and still have a 20 year old car that has had a hard life.
Over the past few years I have done the springs, drop links (twice), shocks, new tyres, new brakes all round, some welding on the suspension mounts, bushes, bearings, engine mounts, you name it. But the rust just keeps chewing away.
It feels like I'd be throwing good money after bad. I'd love to keep it but I'm increasingly of the view that it is not a good idea. But perhaps a better idea than buying a land rover!
TorqueDirty said:
Very fair point.
I have been lobbing money at it for the last 4 years but its the rear chassis, rear floor and boot door that are the issue. And the expensive bit of the exhaust is also on its way out. Getting it sorted would be probably cost £5k min I reckon, and I'd still get humped on road tax every year - and still have a 20 year old car that has had a hard life.
Over the past few years I have done the springs, drop links (twice), shocks, new tyres, new brakes all round, some welding on the suspension mounts, bushes, bearings, engine mounts, you name it. But the rust just keeps chewing away.
It feels like I'd be throwing good money after bad. I'd love to keep it but I'm increasingly of the view that it is not a good idea. But perhaps a better idea than buying a land rover!
Sorry to hear that, sounds like it's become a money pit sadly.I have been lobbing money at it for the last 4 years but its the rear chassis, rear floor and boot door that are the issue. And the expensive bit of the exhaust is also on its way out. Getting it sorted would be probably cost £5k min I reckon, and I'd still get humped on road tax every year - and still have a 20 year old car that has had a hard life.
Over the past few years I have done the springs, drop links (twice), shocks, new tyres, new brakes all round, some welding on the suspension mounts, bushes, bearings, engine mounts, you name it. But the rust just keeps chewing away.
It feels like I'd be throwing good money after bad. I'd love to keep it but I'm increasingly of the view that it is not a good idea. But perhaps a better idea than buying a land rover!
All I can think of is a double cab pick up of some description.
Be wary of the wet belt Ford rangers though, get it done early if you get one of those.
I'm sure ZX10 will be along soon with some recommendations.
If it's not too big then I'd get a first gen Cayenne with the 3 litre diesel (09/10 only). You can get a reasonable one for £5k.
The equivalent 100 Series LC would be £20k, 200 Series would be £30k and the Cayenne will be significantly less orange.
There really aren't many proper 4x4 options out there outside Land Rover and before the likes of the Grenadier.
You'll still get stung on the tax though unfortunately.
The equivalent 100 Series LC would be £20k, 200 Series would be £30k and the Cayenne will be significantly less orange.
There really aren't many proper 4x4 options out there outside Land Rover and before the likes of the Grenadier.
You'll still get stung on the tax though unfortunately.
scot_aln said:
Are pick ups out? Was thinking Hilux as it evens feels similar in the drivers seat to the Landcruiser.
The problem is the dog - we had a Mitsubishi L200 with the hard top for about 4 years and it was OK, but it was not ideal for the dog, much less so now that he is getting on a bit. So sadly I think I'm going to have to pass on pick ups this time. Shame because I really like the Hilux.
Mine's also very crusty (W reg), it cost me £1000 to get through the mot this year and £1500 the year before but I think we are on top of it now.
Engine and gearbox are on 150k, diffs are a bit leaky, but otherwise mechanically sound.
We affectionately call ours the s
tbox, great vehicle for taking the boy to rugby, doing tip runs and with a set of Falken Wildpeaks it's a very capable vehicle in snow and ice.
It's the number 4 vehicle in the house, but we'd be lost without it, prices seem to have rocketed though and replacement would cost twice what I paid for ours.
Keep looking on Autotrader, they do come up every now and again for a sensible price.
Engine and gearbox are on 150k, diffs are a bit leaky, but otherwise mechanically sound.
We affectionately call ours the s
tbox, great vehicle for taking the boy to rugby, doing tip runs and with a set of Falken Wildpeaks it's a very capable vehicle in snow and ice.It's the number 4 vehicle in the house, but we'd be lost without it, prices seem to have rocketed though and replacement would cost twice what I paid for ours.
Keep looking on Autotrader, they do come up every now and again for a sensible price.
Possibly out of budget but how about an FJ Cruiser import?
This thread has some info: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
This thread has some info: https://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&...
No-More-Nights said:
Go and find a non rotten 2005 120 series,
Lots about.
The more I think about it the more I'm reluctantly coming round to this idea. Lots about.
Feels mad to spend £10k on a 2005 car that is the same as the one I have (except hopefully not entirely fu*ked), but what else is there that can replace it for the same money?
If it wasn't for the fact that I am "between fortunes" I'd be getting an Ineos Grenadier, but sadly I am, so I won't.
The double cab pickups were exactly what I was going to suggest, particularly the VW Amarok, the V6 especially is quite a machine.
A Jeep Wrangler is a good alternative to a Grenadier, and of course the natural alternative to a Land Cruiser is a Nissan Patrol or a Mitsubishi Shogun.
If you want a Discovery Sport, get the earlier 2.2L, it's the same Ford/Citroen engine as found in the Freelander/Defender Puma/Mondeo/C5 etc etc.
If you just want something tough, get a Fourtrak. They're really slow, but they make Land Cruisers look like dayflies.
A Jeep Wrangler is a good alternative to a Grenadier, and of course the natural alternative to a Land Cruiser is a Nissan Patrol or a Mitsubishi Shogun.
If you want a Discovery Sport, get the earlier 2.2L, it's the same Ford/Citroen engine as found in the Freelander/Defender Puma/Mondeo/C5 etc etc.
If you just want something tough, get a Fourtrak. They're really slow, but they make Land Cruisers look like dayflies.
Ed Boon II said:
with a set of Falken Wildpeaks it's a very capable vehicle in snow and ice.
The AT3W is good in snow/ice, but the new AT4W is rubbish.TorqueDirty said:
scot_aln said:
Are pick ups out? Was thinking Hilux as it evens feels similar in the drivers seat to the Landcruiser.
The problem is the dog - we had a Mitsubishi L200 with the hard top for about 4 years and it was OK, but it was not ideal for the dog, much less so now that he is getting on a bit. So sadly I think I'm going to have to pass on pick ups this time. Shame because I really like the Hilux.
My old boy is twelve and can no longer jump in but I have a folding ramp which does the job.
Cakey_ said:
Dacia duster 4x4? Theyre everywhere in the alps which i cant imagine is an easier environment than snowy scotland.
The 1.5dci engine is very reliable and frugal and a decent set of winter tyres should do well.
Just get one as a beater and save yourself a fortune.
Great shout. I drove one around Iceland a few years ago, it was very capable. The 1.5dci engine is very reliable and frugal and a decent set of winter tyres should do well.
Just get one as a beater and save yourself a fortune.
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