3R's Selling Well 400's a Little Slow?
Discussion
patsrocket said:
Does anyone have an exact list of the differences between an M12 and M400.
I know there are a few differences.
I would suggest the answer would differ depending on which m12 you have. The m12 was constantly evolving over its production and some would argue that the m400 was the pinnacle of that evolution. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong but the only differences I could see between a very late 3r and m400 are:I know there are a few differences.
The engine upgrades(turbos, pistons etc)
Fully adjustable suspension
Anti roll bars
Larger side pods
I'm sure I've left something out if anybody can add to the list?
I think a couple of points subsequently changed (e.g.: a/c) by first deliveries but this is from the M400 factory press release issued at the 2004 motor show:
With a power to weight ratio of 400bhp per tonne, the Noble M400 is by far the most powerful car in the M12 range, hitting 60mph from standstill in 3.5 seconds and 100mph in just 8.0 seconds. At the heart of the M400 is the same twin-Turbocharged 3.0-litre V6 engine found in the standard M12, but thanks to high-lift camshafts, larger Turbochargers and revised Fuel Injection, power has been increased by 21 per cent to 425bhp, while torque is up by 11 per cent to 390lb ft.
A unique engine map developed with leading engineers, Roush Technologies, makes full use of the mid- to top-end of the rev-range, allowing the Noble's engine to pull strongly up to its 7200rpm limiter. And since the M400 is as capable on the track as it is on the road, Noble has used forged pistons, an oil cooler, a larger baffled oil sump and extra cooling ducts to maintain its durability. An all-new gearshift, which moves through a quicker and more precise gait, makes committed driving on circuit or road a pleasure.
Power requires control, though, and Noble has incorporated even greater levels of precision into the existing M12's chassis. Highly sophisticated Dynamics race dampers and uprated springs have been developed for the M400 after extensive trials on a 4-post test rig, followed by evaluation on Germany's demanding Nürburgring race circuit. The units retain Noble's supple ride on the road, while offering improved composure and adjustability on the track. Complementing this set-up, the M400 wears grippier Pirelli P-Zero Corsa tyres and - for the first time on a Noble - a front anti-roll bar, bringing tighter control at high speeds .
Poise and agility have always been Noble trademarks, but the M400 raises the bar even higher. The standard Noble M12's kerbweight has been reduced 20kgs to 1060kgs by removing the air conditioning, which is standard in a majority of M12s sold. And to give drivers greater control in extreme track conditions, we've added another 0.8 turns of steering lock. As with all current Nobles, brakes are by ventilated 330mm diameter discs all round.
From the outside, there's no mistaking the M400 for a standard Noble. Anthracite-coloured wheels, rear wing supports and tips, door mirror-backs and side scoops are all standard, while 'M400' badging is applied to the wheel centres and rear body panel. M400 models come in Monza Red (solid), Portifino Blue, Diamond Black, Larch Silver, Azure Blue and Titanium colours.
In keeping with the M400's 'race-car meets road-car' theme, all models will be lined throughout in black Alcantara and fitted with all-new Sparco race seats and a four-point race harness. The seats are trimmed in black jaquard fabric and have an anti-slip cushion, as well as a removable backrest and under-thigh pads. Both seats have fore and aft adjustment and can be tilted forwards and backwards for maximum comfort. Since the M400 will be the choice of circuit drivers, Noble has moved both seats 15mm in towards the centre-line of the car for better weight distribution and to allow more headroom for drivers wearing helmets.
With a power to weight ratio of 400bhp per tonne, the Noble M400 is by far the most powerful car in the M12 range, hitting 60mph from standstill in 3.5 seconds and 100mph in just 8.0 seconds. At the heart of the M400 is the same twin-Turbocharged 3.0-litre V6 engine found in the standard M12, but thanks to high-lift camshafts, larger Turbochargers and revised Fuel Injection, power has been increased by 21 per cent to 425bhp, while torque is up by 11 per cent to 390lb ft.
A unique engine map developed with leading engineers, Roush Technologies, makes full use of the mid- to top-end of the rev-range, allowing the Noble's engine to pull strongly up to its 7200rpm limiter. And since the M400 is as capable on the track as it is on the road, Noble has used forged pistons, an oil cooler, a larger baffled oil sump and extra cooling ducts to maintain its durability. An all-new gearshift, which moves through a quicker and more precise gait, makes committed driving on circuit or road a pleasure.
Power requires control, though, and Noble has incorporated even greater levels of precision into the existing M12's chassis. Highly sophisticated Dynamics race dampers and uprated springs have been developed for the M400 after extensive trials on a 4-post test rig, followed by evaluation on Germany's demanding Nürburgring race circuit. The units retain Noble's supple ride on the road, while offering improved composure and adjustability on the track. Complementing this set-up, the M400 wears grippier Pirelli P-Zero Corsa tyres and - for the first time on a Noble - a front anti-roll bar, bringing tighter control at high speeds .
Poise and agility have always been Noble trademarks, but the M400 raises the bar even higher. The standard Noble M12's kerbweight has been reduced 20kgs to 1060kgs by removing the air conditioning, which is standard in a majority of M12s sold. And to give drivers greater control in extreme track conditions, we've added another 0.8 turns of steering lock. As with all current Nobles, brakes are by ventilated 330mm diameter discs all round.
From the outside, there's no mistaking the M400 for a standard Noble. Anthracite-coloured wheels, rear wing supports and tips, door mirror-backs and side scoops are all standard, while 'M400' badging is applied to the wheel centres and rear body panel. M400 models come in Monza Red (solid), Portifino Blue, Diamond Black, Larch Silver, Azure Blue and Titanium colours.
In keeping with the M400's 'race-car meets road-car' theme, all models will be lined throughout in black Alcantara and fitted with all-new Sparco race seats and a four-point race harness. The seats are trimmed in black jaquard fabric and have an anti-slip cushion, as well as a removable backrest and under-thigh pads. Both seats have fore and aft adjustment and can be tilted forwards and backwards for maximum comfort. Since the M400 will be the choice of circuit drivers, Noble has moved both seats 15mm in towards the centre-line of the car for better weight distribution and to allow more headroom for drivers wearing helmets.
Edited by AMG Merc on Tuesday 28th January 10:12
I drove a M400 when I was looking for a Noble and I loved it!
But I couldn't justify paying for the badge, so I set out finding a modified 3R and I'm spending the money I saved on upgrading the car to beyond M400 spec.
I get the car I want for less money and I enjoy doing the work to boot
It might not have the same re-sell value when I come to sell it, but I'm planing to hang on to it for a while
But I couldn't justify paying for the badge, so I set out finding a modified 3R and I'm spending the money I saved on upgrading the car to beyond M400 spec.
I get the car I want for less money and I enjoy doing the work to boot
It might not have the same re-sell value when I come to sell it, but I'm planing to hang on to it for a while
I think all the M400's on sale are priced a little high, I sold mine 4 years ago for 35k (just before the crash). Recently it was advertised for 45 as all the others are but taken down again after a while.
As with all niche products they find their own market value, but I think to get any movement the prices will have to fall to high 30's IMHO.
As with all niche products they find their own market value, but I think to get any movement the prices will have to fall to high 30's IMHO.
"Front anti-roll bar
All-new gearshift
Added another 0.8 turns of steering lock
Moved both seats 15mm in towards the centre-line of the car for better weight distribution”
Some 3rs have all of the above.
A larger baffled oil sump. Is this different from the TDS fitted to other M12s?
I wanted an M400 when I first started looking, but couldn't find one within my budget and in the condition I wanted at the time, so settled on an immaculate late 3r instead. Although I made sure I bought a car with the M400 linkage and turning circle etc. I wasn’t disappointed with my purchase, but if I had the money I still would have bought an M400 (although I don’t like the idea of no aircon!) How much would you have to spend to upgrade the engine to M400 spec, suspension, engine, linkage etc? Like you say it’s a niche product, so if the seller is no rush to sell and there are very few about, I would suggest somebody is eventually going to buy.
All-new gearshift
Added another 0.8 turns of steering lock
Moved both seats 15mm in towards the centre-line of the car for better weight distribution”
Some 3rs have all of the above.
A larger baffled oil sump. Is this different from the TDS fitted to other M12s?
I wanted an M400 when I first started looking, but couldn't find one within my budget and in the condition I wanted at the time, so settled on an immaculate late 3r instead. Although I made sure I bought a car with the M400 linkage and turning circle etc. I wasn’t disappointed with my purchase, but if I had the money I still would have bought an M400 (although I don’t like the idea of no aircon!) How much would you have to spend to upgrade the engine to M400 spec, suspension, engine, linkage etc? Like you say it’s a niche product, so if the seller is no rush to sell and there are very few about, I would suggest somebody is eventually going to buy.
AMG Merc said:
I think a couple of points subsequently changed (e.g.: a/c) by first deliveries but this is from the M400 factory press release issued at the 2004 motor show:
With a power to weight ratio of 400bhp per tonne, the Noble M400 is by far the most powerful car in the M12 range, hitting 60mph from standstill in 3.5 seconds and 100mph in just 8.0 seconds. At the heart of the M400 is the same twin-Turbocharged 3.0-litre V6 engine found in the standard M12, but thanks to high-lift camshafts, larger Turbochargers and revised Fuel Injection, power has been increased by 21 per cent to 425bhp, while torque is up by 11 per cent to 390lb ft.
A unique engine map developed with leading engineers, Roush Technologies, makes full use of the mid- to top-end of the rev-range, allowing the Noble's engine to pull strongly up to its 7200rpm limiter. And since the M400 is as capable on the track as it is on the road, Noble has used forged pistons, an oil cooler, a larger baffled oil sump and extra cooling ducts to maintain its durability. An all-new gearshift, which moves through a quicker and more precise gait, makes committed driving on circuit or road a pleasure.
Power requires control, though, and Noble has incorporated even greater levels of precision into the existing M12's chassis. Highly sophisticated Dynamics race dampers and uprated springs have been developed for the M400 after extensive trials on a 4-post test rig, followed by evaluation on Germany's demanding Nürburgring race circuit. The units retain Noble's supple ride on the road, while offering improved composure and adjustability on the track. Complementing this set-up, the M400 wears grippier Pirelli P-Zero Corsa tyres and - for the first time on a Noble - a front anti-roll bar, bringing tighter control at high speeds .
Poise and agility have always been Noble trademarks, but the M400 raises the bar even higher. The standard Noble M12's kerbweight has been reduced 20kgs to 1060kgs by removing the air conditioning, which is standard in a majority of M12s sold. And to give drivers greater control in extreme track conditions, we've added another 0.8 turns of steering lock. As with all current Nobles, brakes are by ventilated 330mm diameter discs all round.
From the outside, there's no mistaking the M400 for a standard Noble. Anthracite-coloured wheels, rear wing supports and tips, door mirror-backs and side scoops are all standard, while 'M400' badging is applied to the wheel centres and rear body panel. M400 models come in Monza Red (solid), Portifino Blue, Diamond Black, Larch Silver, Azure Blue and Titanium colours.
In keeping with the M400's 'race-car meets road-car' theme, all models will be lined throughout in black Alcantara and fitted with all-new Sparco race seats and a four-point race harness. The seats are trimmed in black jaquard fabric and have an anti-slip cushion, as well as a removable backrest and under-thigh pads. Both seats have fore and aft adjustment and can be tilted forwards and backwards for maximum comfort. Since the M400 will be the choice of circuit drivers, Noble has moved both seats 15mm in towards the centre-line of the car for better weight distribution and to allow more headroom for drivers wearing helmets.
Rob has given a fair run down off the spec . What would all this cost to do . Mine was the only one built with With a power to weight ratio of 400bhp per tonne, the Noble M400 is by far the most powerful car in the M12 range, hitting 60mph from standstill in 3.5 seconds and 100mph in just 8.0 seconds. At the heart of the M400 is the same twin-Turbocharged 3.0-litre V6 engine found in the standard M12, but thanks to high-lift camshafts, larger Turbochargers and revised Fuel Injection, power has been increased by 21 per cent to 425bhp, while torque is up by 11 per cent to 390lb ft.
A unique engine map developed with leading engineers, Roush Technologies, makes full use of the mid- to top-end of the rev-range, allowing the Noble's engine to pull strongly up to its 7200rpm limiter. And since the M400 is as capable on the track as it is on the road, Noble has used forged pistons, an oil cooler, a larger baffled oil sump and extra cooling ducts to maintain its durability. An all-new gearshift, which moves through a quicker and more precise gait, makes committed driving on circuit or road a pleasure.
Power requires control, though, and Noble has incorporated even greater levels of precision into the existing M12's chassis. Highly sophisticated Dynamics race dampers and uprated springs have been developed for the M400 after extensive trials on a 4-post test rig, followed by evaluation on Germany's demanding Nürburgring race circuit. The units retain Noble's supple ride on the road, while offering improved composure and adjustability on the track. Complementing this set-up, the M400 wears grippier Pirelli P-Zero Corsa tyres and - for the first time on a Noble - a front anti-roll bar, bringing tighter control at high speeds .
Poise and agility have always been Noble trademarks, but the M400 raises the bar even higher. The standard Noble M12's kerbweight has been reduced 20kgs to 1060kgs by removing the air conditioning, which is standard in a majority of M12s sold. And to give drivers greater control in extreme track conditions, we've added another 0.8 turns of steering lock. As with all current Nobles, brakes are by ventilated 330mm diameter discs all round.
From the outside, there's no mistaking the M400 for a standard Noble. Anthracite-coloured wheels, rear wing supports and tips, door mirror-backs and side scoops are all standard, while 'M400' badging is applied to the wheel centres and rear body panel. M400 models come in Monza Red (solid), Portifino Blue, Diamond Black, Larch Silver, Azure Blue and Titanium colours.
In keeping with the M400's 'race-car meets road-car' theme, all models will be lined throughout in black Alcantara and fitted with all-new Sparco race seats and a four-point race harness. The seats are trimmed in black jaquard fabric and have an anti-slip cushion, as well as a removable backrest and under-thigh pads. Both seats have fore and aft adjustment and can be tilted forwards and backwards for maximum comfort. Since the M400 will be the choice of circuit drivers, Noble has moved both seats 15mm in towards the centre-line of the car for better weight distribution and to allow more headroom for drivers wearing helmets.
Edited by AMG Merc on Tuesday 28th January 10:12
a FULL fia roll cage fitted at factory And removable Rear trellis before the fibre glass was fitted dread to think what that would cost to do as after market
Sounds a lot but then isn't really too much when you break it down, for track work you would definitely appreciate some of this but not so sure it makes a difference on the road. It looks like you can take a 3R to M400 HP with fairly little effort so my money is on a 3R for now with some nice mods. Not saying won't ever have a 400 but after 3x 3R's there must be something about them that keeps me coming back 
Ps do all 400,s not have A/C ?
Ps do all 400,s not have A/C ?
The price point of the M400 means that they will only attract the connoisseur of the marque who want the ultimate example, almost regardless of cost. Prices are knocking on Ferrari 360 territory (not wanting to start another debate), but maybe that's where potential customers are going. Or perhaps the track day heroes are buying Radical SR3s / Atoms etc.
As a humble, salaried, family man, my spare change would only stretch to a 3R, but I'm perfectly satisfied by its performance in standard trim. Happy to know I can later upgrade it if I wish and still spend less that M400 money (assuming I don't go to big power
)
For the money I paid for my 3R, I could have picked up a Ferrari 348, but the idea of a classic car sink-hole didn't appeal to me.
And if potential M400 customers are instead snapping up nice 3Rs its no surprise that M400s aren't shifting.
And I wanted leather and aircon as my car is more than just a track toy. I get those as standard in a 3R.
As a humble, salaried, family man, my spare change would only stretch to a 3R, but I'm perfectly satisfied by its performance in standard trim. Happy to know I can later upgrade it if I wish and still spend less that M400 money (assuming I don't go to big power
)For the money I paid for my 3R, I could have picked up a Ferrari 348, but the idea of a classic car sink-hole didn't appeal to me.
And if potential M400 customers are instead snapping up nice 3Rs its no surprise that M400s aren't shifting.
And I wanted leather and aircon as my car is more than just a track toy. I get those as standard in a 3R.
Jarcy said:
The price point of the M400 means that they will only attract the connoisseur of the marque who want the ultimate example, almost regardless of cost. Prices are knocking on Ferrari 360 territory (not wanting to start another debate), but maybe that's where potential customers are going. Or perhaps the track day heroes are buying Radical SR3s / Atoms etc.
As a humble, salaried, family man, my spare change would only stretch to a 3R, but I'm perfectly satisfied by its performance in standard trim. Happy to know I can later upgrade it if I wish and still spend less that M400 money (assuming I don't go to big power )
For the money I paid for my 3R, I could have picked up a Ferrari 348, but the idea of a classic car sink-hole didn't appeal to me.
And if potential M400 customers are instead snapping up nice 3Rs its no surprise that M400s aren't shifting.
And I wanted leather and aircon as my car is more than just a track toy. I get those as standard in a 3R.
yep that was exactly what sent me down the 3R route!As a humble, salaried, family man, my spare change would only stretch to a 3R, but I'm perfectly satisfied by its performance in standard trim. Happy to know I can later upgrade it if I wish and still spend less that M400 money (assuming I don't go to big power
)For the money I paid for my 3R, I could have picked up a Ferrari 348, but the idea of a classic car sink-hole didn't appeal to me.
And if potential M400 customers are instead snapping up nice 3Rs its no surprise that M400s aren't shifting.
And I wanted leather and aircon as my car is more than just a track toy. I get those as standard in a 3R.
I think the price hike in M400's has encouraged a couple more on to the market recently(mine is on SOR at Kerridges),and there appears to be a lot less of the other GTO/GTO-3/3R models for sale than usual, other than some that have stuck for some time. Also of course, there's the time of year, not conducive to selling any type of Noble or it's ilk.It made sense for me to give it to Kerridges,they know the car,and I'm highly unlikely to be using it through the winter, or indeed the summers much now either!
As someone who had a 3R and now a M400,I believe the M400 is actually a better road car(I don't track it so can't comment on it's track abilities).I appreciate I may be in the minority, but along with the obvious differences mentioned, things like the better steering lock/turning circle, more foot well room,less offset with the pedal,much much better seats and a nicer harder wearing interior make it a far easier everyday proposition.Add generally a feeling of being slightly better developed and more grown up,and I'm glad I spent the extra 6 years ago.
I think it's case of if you buy a 3R ( or GTO or GTO-3 for that matter) you're never going to be dissapointed, and by the same token if you go the M400 route you'll be glad you spent the extra.As someone on here will vouch,I actually encouraged someone to buy a 3R I knew that was for sale when they found out I may be selling and came to look my M400 (it wasn't officially for sale but they'd heard a rumour!)as it suited what they were going to use it for and their comfortable budget.
Either way,you can't really lose because every model in the line up (for me anyway) are unmatched at their price points.
As someone who had a 3R and now a M400,I believe the M400 is actually a better road car(I don't track it so can't comment on it's track abilities).I appreciate I may be in the minority, but along with the obvious differences mentioned, things like the better steering lock/turning circle, more foot well room,less offset with the pedal,much much better seats and a nicer harder wearing interior make it a far easier everyday proposition.Add generally a feeling of being slightly better developed and more grown up,and I'm glad I spent the extra 6 years ago.
I think it's case of if you buy a 3R ( or GTO or GTO-3 for that matter) you're never going to be dissapointed, and by the same token if you go the M400 route you'll be glad you spent the extra.As someone on here will vouch,I actually encouraged someone to buy a 3R I knew that was for sale when they found out I may be selling and came to look my M400 (it wasn't officially for sale but they'd heard a rumour!)as it suited what they were going to use it for and their comfortable budget.
Either way,you can't really lose because every model in the line up (for me anyway) are unmatched at their price points.
if you all want a inferior product then buy a m12 gto or a 3r but if you want the ultimate original noble then buy a m400 its better all round , only 75 made, you cant make up for what this car is , it is the same with every make of car made , a 3r will never be m400 not even close , they will make 50 k first as well great post, andy
sjc said:
things like the better steering lock/turning circle, more foot well room,less offset with the pedal,much much better seats
Actually these are important subtleties which I forgive in the 3R, but if I had to criticise Lee Noble;how the blazes could he design a drivers' car without having the steering wheel dead centre in front of the driver, and without the pedals hanging off the ends of straight outstretched legs.
karl320 said:
if you all want a inferior product then buy a m12 gto or a 3r but if you want the ultimate original noble then buy a m400 its better all round , only 75 made, you cant make up for what this car is , it is the same with every make of car made , a 3r will never be m400 not even close , they will make 50 k first as well great post, andy
Don't think it's fair you call gto or 3r inferior they started off as a good car and was just improved over the years, but you can upgrade all models upto and we'll beyond m400 spec Do you own an m400 by any chance !!!!!
Jarcy said:
The price point of the M400 means that they will only attract the connoisseur of the marque who want the ultimate example, almost regardless of cost. Prices are knocking on Ferrari 360 territory (not wanting to start another debate), but maybe that's where potential customers are going. Or perhaps the track day heroes are buying Radical SR3s / Atoms etc.
As a humble, salaried, family man, my spare change would only stretch to a 3R, but I'm perfectly satisfied by its performance in standard trim. Happy to know I can later upgrade it if I wish and still spend less that M400 money(assuming I don't go to big power )
For the money I paid for my 3R, I could have picked up a Ferrari 348, but the idea of a classic car sink-hole didn't appeal to me.
And if potential M400 customers are instead snapping up nice 3Rs its no surprise that M400s aren't shifting.
And I wanted leather and aircon as my car is more than just a track toy. I get those as standard in a 3R.
Having driven several 360's, they are not in the same league as a driving tool compared with an M400,and a TVR Sagaris makes the M400 look stonking value (and I've owned 4 TVR's so no axe to grind there!).As a humble, salaried, family man, my spare change would only stretch to a 3R, but I'm perfectly satisfied by its performance in standard trim. Happy to know I can later upgrade it if I wish and still spend less that M400 money(assuming I don't go to big power
)For the money I paid for my 3R, I could have picked up a Ferrari 348, but the idea of a classic car sink-hole didn't appeal to me.
And if potential M400 customers are instead snapping up nice 3Rs its no surprise that M400s aren't shifting.
And I wanted leather and aircon as my car is more than just a track toy. I get those as standard in a 3R.
Upgrading a 3R power wise doesn't make an M400, infact I'd say the last thing that a 3R or an M400 needs is more power (although of course the real big bhp'ers are amazing).It's all the subtle upgrades,little tweeks and slight improvements to simply make it a more complete car that gives you the M400.
Also air-con was not standard on any Noble model, and IIRC only one M400 was built without it.
I've never quite got the track toy tag,it's an utterly brilliant road car that happens to be very good on track as well (apparently).Even the barely stiffer ride is more than compensated for by the far superior seats.If I had one critisism of the M400 on the road it would be the tyres (original Corsa's)which I swapped after a few K miles for the softer/more practical P-Zero's
As for them not shifting, I'm not sure how that can be suggested when there's been more available and sold in the last 12 months than ever before!
Some M400's change hands without ever being advertised,I could have sold mine twice in the summer for just under 42K if I was ready to sell.At the time it wasn't advertised,the enquiries came via this forum when I happened to mention I had bought another car and didn't know what one to keep! Even after owning it 6 and a half years, it took me til December to decide!
Anyway, enjoy your cars all,I just wish I could justify keeping both mine but it's the Maser that will be getting used more now,however even that is tucked away at the moment.....Let's hope for some decent weather to get out there again soon!
Edited by sjc on Tuesday 28th January 22:56
sjc said:
Having driven several 360's, they are not in the same league as a driving tool compared with an M400,and a TVR Sagaris makes the M400 look stonking value (and I've owned 4 TVR's so no axe to grind there!).
Upgrading a 3R power wise doesn't make an M400, infact I'd say the last thing that a 3R or an M400 needs is more power (although of course the real big bhp'ers are amazing).It's all the subtle upgrades,little tweeks and slight improvements to simply make it a more complete car that gives you the M400.
Also air-con was not standard on any Noble model, and IIRC only one M400 was built without it.
I've never quite got the track toy tag,it's an utterly brilliant road car that happens to be very good on track as well (apparently).Even the barely stiffer ride is more than compensated for by the far superior seats.If I had one critisism of the M400 on the road it would be the tyres (original Corsa's)which I swapped after a few K miles for the softer/more practical P-Zero's
As for them not shifting, I'm not sure how that can be suggested when there's been more available and sold in the last 12 months than ever before!
Some M400's change hands without ever being advertised,I could have sold mine twice in the summer for just under 42K if I was ready to sell.At the time it wasn't advertised,the enquiries came via this forum when I happened to mention I had bought another car and didn't know what one to keep! Even after owning it 6 and a half years, it took me til December to decide!
Anyway, enjoy your cars all,I just wish I could justify keeping both mine but it's the Maser that will be getting used more now,however even that is tucked away at the moment.....Let's hope for some decent weather to get out there again soon!
Well written and agreed Andy, especially re the 360 which I think is an overhyped and underwhelming model ( yes, I've also driven these). I also disagree with those here saying you can make an M400 out of a 3R.Upgrading a 3R power wise doesn't make an M400, infact I'd say the last thing that a 3R or an M400 needs is more power (although of course the real big bhp'ers are amazing).It's all the subtle upgrades,little tweeks and slight improvements to simply make it a more complete car that gives you the M400.
Also air-con was not standard on any Noble model, and IIRC only one M400 was built without it.
I've never quite got the track toy tag,it's an utterly brilliant road car that happens to be very good on track as well (apparently).Even the barely stiffer ride is more than compensated for by the far superior seats.If I had one critisism of the M400 on the road it would be the tyres (original Corsa's)which I swapped after a few K miles for the softer/more practical P-Zero's
As for them not shifting, I'm not sure how that can be suggested when there's been more available and sold in the last 12 months than ever before!
Some M400's change hands without ever being advertised,I could have sold mine twice in the summer for just under 42K if I was ready to sell.At the time it wasn't advertised,the enquiries came via this forum when I happened to mention I had bought another car and didn't know what one to keep! Even after owning it 6 and a half years, it took me til December to decide!
Anyway, enjoy your cars all,I just wish I could justify keeping both mine but it's the Maser that will be getting used more now,however even that is tucked away at the moment.....Let's hope for some decent weather to get out there again soon!
Edited by sjc on Tuesday 28th January 22:56
... Now back to those pesky vertical blinds
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