dry sump

[ivoxxx]

Hi,did somenone know who make or sell a dry sump kit that will fit the nob?

I just tryed to contact "paceproducts" and they said that the sup will fit but they don't know about the pump (they said is a clearance problem)
I send them some pics I've found on internet,but they didn't answer!

In you opinion a 1 scavenge/3 pressure setup will be good? (one pressure for the engine and two for the turbines)

The oil return lines must be plugget into the tank or the pan?

many thanks

Ivo

[chuntington101]

ivoxxx said:

Hi,did somenone know who make or sell a dry sump kit that will fit the nob?

I just tryed to contact "paceproducts" and they said that the sup will fit but they don't know about the pump (they said is a clearance problem)
I send them some pics I've found on internet,but they didn't answer!

In you opinion a 1 scavenge/3 pressure setup will be good? (one pressure for the engine and two for the turbines)

The oil return lines must be plugget into the tank or the pan?

many thanks

Ivo

I think hoover has a dry sump system available. Might be worth having a word with him.

Also I think you want more scavenging sections rather than more pressure sections.

[GTO600]

ivoxxx said:

Hi,did somenone know who make or sell a dry sump kit that will fit the nob?

I just tryed to contact "paceproducts" and they said that the sup will fit but they don't know about the pump (they said is a clearance problem)
I send them some pics I've found on internet,but they didn't answer!

In you opinion a 1 scavenge/3 pressure setup will be good? (one pressure for the engine and two for the turbines)

The oil return lines must be plugget into the tank or the pan?

many thanks

Ivo

Hoover has an option but it's not straight forward & requires modifing the block, good luck with the cost -

[ivoxxx]

I've already spoken with Hoover,but USA costs are out of my budget...from what I've seen speaking with rossion and TH noble's are superexhotic cars with superexhotic expensive parts ...some numbers doesn't make sense on a Noble

always IMO

[ivoxxx]

chuntington101 said:

I think hoover has a dry sump system available. Might be worth having a word with him.

Also I think you want more scavenging sections rather than more pressure sections.

I was just asking....is not worth having a separate pressure line for the turbo?
or unload the oil in the pan will be a problem?

[TuxMan]

To be honest with the new track day baffle plate developed for our track day sump im not sure there would be much of a benefit to having a dry sump .

[Chapppers]

Dry sumps are generally only worth it if you're building a race car and can drop the engine into the space left by the sump, lowering your centre of gravity too. I guess I'll get one on my 400bhp NA screamer lump...

Edited by Chapppers on Monday 10th February 16:04

[Adrian W]

TuxMan said:

To be honest with the new track day baffle plate developed for our track day sump im not sure there would be much of a benefit to having a dry sump .

I think there would always be a benefit to having a dry sump system on track, if only for constant pressure, when i spoke to pace about this years ago it would not be possible to fit without removing one of the chassis cross braces.

[Gadgeroonie]

There is one for the jag engine that should fit

[GTO600]

Adrian W said:

I think there would always be a benefit to having a dry sump system on track, if only for constant pressure, when i spoke to pace about this years ago it would not be possible to fit without removing one of the chassis cross braces.

And a very major chassis cross member at that ! Also means re-routing the front exhaust pipe.

[GTO600]

Gadgeroonie said:

There is one for the jag engine that should fit

Same problem as it's the same block.

[ivoxxx]

Adrian W said:

I think there would always be a benefit to having a dry sump system on track, if only for constant pressure, when i spoke to pace about this years ago it would not be possible to fit without removing one of the chassis cross braces.

I agree with you...
but I tink (as you can see in the pic. below) that from the original paceproducts,you have only to relocate the pump to make all stuff fit in....I already have to make a new bespoke exhaust....and anyway moving the pipe will not be a problem
...I also think that a dry sump can give a better control of oil temp without loosing pressure (like putting oil rad etc...)

[bigsmiffy]

http://www.drysump.com/FordDuratec.htm

Says "This pan is available only through
GSR- Turbo Hoses"

[ivoxxx]

bigsmiffy said:

http://www.drysump.com/FordDuratec.htm

Says "This pan is available only through
GSR- Turbo Hoses"

I did not say that I want that!

the one I've seen on paceproducts will be ok ...I will make a bespoke support for the pump...and that's it!

[JBliss]

whats the point if you wont be lowering the engine?

[Jim O.]

ivoxxx said:

I agree with you...
but I tink (as you can see in the pic. below) that from the original paceproducts,you have only to relocate the pump to make all stuff fit in....I already have to make a new bespoke exhaust....and anyway moving the pipe will not be a problem
...I also think that a dry sump can give a better control of oil temp without loosing pressure (like putting oil rad etc...)

Just FYI - that's a picture of the TurboHoses' dry sump, not the Pace Products one.

The dry sump has a lot of advantages, even if you don't lower the engine. You get much better control over the location of the oil, especially in turns. Your oil pressure remains much more consistent. You gain some power because the crank doesn't churn through the oil anymore.

BTW - I hope you have experience designing dry sump systems - there's a lot more to it than just figuring out a place to mount the pump...

[andygtt]

ivoxxx said:

Hi,did somenone know who make or sell a dry sump kit that will fit the nob?

I just tryed to contact "paceproducts" and they said that the sup will fit but they don't know about the pump (they said is a clearance problem)
I send them some pics I've found on internet,but they didn't answer!

In you opinion a 1 scavenge/3 pressure setup will be good? (one pressure for the engine and two for the turbines)

The oil return lines must be plugget into the tank or the pan?

many thanks

Ivo

I took my car to pace around 3 mtgs ago for them to design a pace dry sump setup, we spent some time going through the options so they could give us a quote.

basically the exhaust will need to be changed as the pump can only go under the sump, not a major issue but a cost all the same, I had 2 options from them, an all new billet sump or use their existing one and modify it, the billet one was over £500 more.

The costs quoted were very high for little improvement over the noble track sump, so GT600 had some baffles designed to fit it and thats the route I have gone.

[bigsmiffy]

ivoxxx said:

I did not say that I want that!

the one I've seen on paceproducts will be ok ...I will make a bespoke support for the pump...and that's it!

Chill Pill Mate we're only trying to find alternative suppliers for you!!!!!!

[Adrian W]

andygtt said:

I took my car to pace around 3 mtgs ago for them to design a pace dry sump setup, we spent some time going through the options so they could give us a quote.

basically the exhaust will need to be changed as the pump can only go under the sump, not a major issue but a cost all the same, I had 2 options from them, an all new billet sump or use their existing one and modify it, the billet one was over £500 more.

The costs quoted were very high for little improvement over the noble track sump, so GT600 had some baffles designed to fit it and thats the route I have gone.

The reason I walked away from Pace and found Pro Ally (both blokes called Wayne) was that they wanted me to pay for their development (including all NRE) and then they sell the products, like that was ever going to happen, they also made me a radiator that fell apart and tried to wriggle out of the warranty.

[ivoxxx]

the picture I posted was just to show that the car have space enough to fit a dry sump with a pump below.....I know that was from T.H.
The point is ...I well know the advantages of dry sump,and fortunately I've some friends that prepare race cars that can make a bespoke dry sump kit ...They asked to me to take a look around to find maybe something on the market that they can modify or adapt (that will be easier and cheaper)....we will go for the 2nd option ...make a bespoke billet pan.
I'm not sure right now ,but from what I see pace pan can be modded to fit the pump in the right position
I've yet spoken with Hoover but at the same price I can do a billet one without extra costs and risk of the shipping (I am absolutely not contentious,I'm just trying to choose the right way for me)
I apologize for my bad english and if because of that someone misunderstood my words.