M400 and snow
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joust

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Monday 24th January 2005
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Just driven through a whole load of snow without any problem. Dare I say it the Corsa's were just as good as the one time I drove the classic with SO3s.

Sure I wasn't doing 100+mph and 1.2G turns, but it didn't feel unplanted and braking was fine. The steering on the M400 gave a lot of confidence as it's less "pointy" than the classic and so you felt more in control.

J

m12_nathan

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282 months

Monday 24th January 2005
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I very much doubt the pirellis are better in the snow than the so3's, more like the light weight 2.5 didn't cut through the snow as easily as the heavier 3?

V6GTO

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265 months

Monday 24th January 2005
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Justin,
Is there snow in Surrey? Didn't realise it was THAT cold back home.
Mind you , allthough sunny it was quite cold here today. From 21 testerday it dropped down to a teeth chattering 15!

Martin.

jmg944t

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256 months

Monday 24th January 2005
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joust said:
Just driven through a whole load of snow without any problem. Dare I say it the Corsa's were just as good as the one time I drove the classic with SO3s.

Sure I wasn't doing 100+mph and 1.2G turns, but it didn't feel unplanted and braking was fine. The steering on the M400 gave a lot of confidence as it's less "pointy" than the classic and so you felt more in control.

J


Feel free to try that here in North East Massachusettes USA Joust. We had 27" of snow on sat/sun. My "winter" car is a Ford F350 Diesel 4x4. 7700#'s empty but it felt a bit unplanted yesterday. I have to give you guys credit over there for driving your cars all year long. I don't know what it is but the sports cars basically disappear over here from Dec-April. I have always suspected they people here have more cars but generally less expensive ones. I only see 10 Ferrari's a year or so but lots of people have winter and summer cars.

joust

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Tuesday 25th January 2005
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jmg944t said:
Feel free to try that here in North East Massachusettes USA Joust. We had 27" of snow on sat/sun.
Err - OK, I was driving in about 1", maybe 2" of snow.

jmg944t said:
My "winter" car is a Ford F350 Diesel 4x4. 7700#'s empty but it felt a bit unplanted yesterday.

I'm hiring one of those when I'm over in Niagra on the Lake in a month or so, on the basis that I might just need it....

jmg944t said:
I have to give you guys credit over there for driving your cars all year long. I don't know what it is but the sports cars basically disappear over here from Dec-April. I have always suspected they people here have more cars but generally less expensive ones. I only see 10 Ferrari's a year or so but lots of people have winter and summer cars.
That becuase we are all over here

J

joust

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Tuesday 25th January 2005
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V6GTO said:
Justin, Is there snow in Surrey? Didn't realise it was THAT cold back home.
Mind you , allthough sunny it was quite cold here today. From 21 testerday it dropped down to a teeth chattering 15! Martin.
Kent actually, I was down at the NWKSEL TVRCC meet and it was snowing pretty hard on the way home up Polhill.

Unfortunatly there was no snow when I got home - bloddy London - we hardly ever get snow here as it's always 1-2C warmer that just outside the M25

J

joust

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Tuesday 25th January 2005
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m12_nathan said:
I very much doubt the pirellis are better in the snow than the so3's, more like the light weight 2.5 didn't cut through the snow as easily as the heavier 3?
There is hardly any difference in weight, I think the 2.5l had 1070 stamped on it's VIN plate.

It's not just snow, I was chasing a Bently Continental GT down the A591 in the Lake District. Pissing it down, lots of standing water, and eventually it "gave up" and I just breezed past it. I never once got it aquaplaning, and at no time did the car feel unhappy.

I've a funny feeling, that despite what they look like, the Corsa's might actually have just as good wet weather capability as the SO3s.... Mad I know looking at them, but it's not disimilar to looking at the Lotus Yoko Advans compared to the P0s - the P0s have much more visible tread on them, but I nearly lost it totally two or three times in the Elise on P0s, and never ever did once on the Advans.

I'd imagine if the Corsas hit muchy leaves or something like that where it needs to "dig in" the SO3s would be better, but the chemical grip (tyres AFAIK have two main components of grip, chemical bond and mechanical) seems to be outstanding.

I can't wait for a wet track day at Bedford, and then I'll be able to properly compare.

J

m12_nathan

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Tuesday 25th January 2005
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Be interested to hear the results and a comparison with my 048R's.

AMG Merc

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276 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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Just thinking laterally here - I wonder if the rear spoiler could double (when fitted to the front, of course) as a snow plough blade in bad weather?! OK, maybe not then! LOL

V6GTO

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Tuesday 25th January 2005
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AMG Merc said:
Just thinking laterally here - I wonder if the rear spoiler could double (when fitted to the front, of course) as a snow plough blade in bad weather?! OK, maybe not then! LOL


Rob,
What car will you buy after the Noble? Thunderbird 2?

Martin.

AMG Merc

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276 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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V6GTO said:
Rob,
What car will you buy after the Noble? Thunderbird 2?

Martin.


Yes mate, you got me right there - that's the one I'd have - versatile and fast:

Thunderbird 2:
...is piloted by Virgil. It was the heavy lifting aircraft. The rescue crew could decide on one of five different pods of equipment for a rescue. Virgil when ready, would go to the painting of the Saturn 5 rocket in the lounge of the Tracy home. This painting would tilt to some one-thirty degrees sending him head first down a chute into the bowels of Tracy Island. Midway, Virgil would be slowed and on a turntable turned around so that he would enter TB2 feet first in to the pilot seat. After selecting a pod TB2 would lower on its stilts and the cliff face of the island would descend opening to the small airstrip. Too wide for the airstrip the palm trees flopped aside to allow the wingspan of the giant to reach the center of the tarmac. The runway then would rise lifting the craft to a thirty degree angle and blast pad would rotate behind the craft and off she went.

I am not anal, I am not anal, I am... LOL

DanH

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283 months

Tuesday 25th January 2005
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As long as you can get some temp into them, these semi slick road tyres have adequate grip. Its the standing water that can bite you on the arse as they have very little water clearing ability.

joust

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Tuesday 25th January 2005
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DanH said:

As long as you can get some temp into them, these semi slick road tyres have adequate grip. Its the standing water that can bite you on the arse as they have very little water clearing ability.
True - it's just that I haven't found it's limits yet, and I was going through some 1" or so deep large puddles and it coped very well.

Also the "rooster tail" is just as big, if not bigger, on the Corsa's than the SO3's it seems, so they must be shifting a lot of water.

Mind you, they were new and so had maximum tread depth on them - get to 2mm or so and they will probably be a different kettle of fish!

J

UFO 2 NOB

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Tuesday 25th January 2005
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m12_nathan said:
I very much doubt the pirellis are better in the snow than the so3's, more like the light weight 2.5 didn't cut through the snow as easily as the heavier 3?
Oi,less of the classic if you dont mind!

m12_nathan

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Tuesday 25th January 2005
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Where do I call it that? I was saying the 2.5 is lighter than the 3 - that is a compliment ya daft git

UFO 2 NOB

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Tuesday 25th January 2005
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m12_nathan said:
Where do I call it that? I was saying the 2.5 is lighter than the 3 - that is a compliment ya daft git
Sorry,not you but him above Jousti and less of the daft git!

m12_nathan

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Tuesday 25th January 2005
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V6GTO

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Wednesday 26th January 2005
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If everyone here calls it the Classic, rather than 2.5, or old one, or original one, then in turn others will learn. I feel sure that if it gets called the Classic by dealers and the general buying public it will add kudos, and therefore hard cash value to them and, consequently, all Noble cars.

Martin.

UFO 2 NOB

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Wednesday 26th January 2005
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OK

joust

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Wednesday 26th January 2005
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May I point Sir to the dictionary definition of Classic...

clas·sic adj.
1. a) Belonging to the highest rank or class.
b) Serving as the established model or standard: a classic example of colonial architecture.
c) Having lasting significance or worth; enduring.

Why on earth would you take exception to it being called that?

J