GTO-3 or GTO-3R
Discussion
I am having great trouble in deciding want to get. a GTO M12 3 or a GTO M12 3R? On paper there seems to be not much in it as far as performance is concerned. Does any one have experience in both. I have test driven the 3R. This felt great. A friend has the M12 3R and he felt he wished he had gone for the 5-speed gear box.
Any thoughts on this.
>>> Edited by maetro on Thursday 24th February 23:38
Any thoughts on this.
>>> Edited by maetro on Thursday 24th February 23:38
maetro said:
I am having great trouble in deciding want to get. a GTO M12 3 or a GTO M12 3R? On paper there seems to be not much in it as far as performance is concerned. Does any one have experience in both. I have test driven the 3R. This felt great. A friend has the M13 3R and he felt he wished he had gone for the 5-speed gear box.
Any thoughts on this.
If you can afford it the 3R has a more modern looking nose (it's the lights) but, apart from that, there is little difference to a "GTO 3". These is a little more soundproofing and, if you opt for the 6-speeg gearbox and trackday sump you'll be relatively up-to-date.
Good luck - either choice will make you grin!
BORING! 
mr noble said:
Maetro, there is a similar thread on the next page, about a week old, some good answers to your questions there. I think its a personal and financial thing. If you can afford a 3R then go for one of them. Oh and the 6 speed box is a better bet than the 5. IMHO Greg
six is most certainly better than the 5 as it's stonger...
We introduced the six-speed 'box because it could take more torque than the five-speeder, and that was always going to be important as we launched models with bigger outputs (M400/M14). However, in the 3/3R models there should be no problems, if the car has been correctly maintained.
Key advantages with the six-speeder are as follows:
1. Ratios more evenly spaced, though first and second gears are slightly higher than in the five-speeder;
2. Taller top gear which runs to 26.5mph per 1000rpm, making it more relaxed on a motorway, for example (2650rpm at 70mph). The five-speeder's top gear will turn the engine at just over 3000rpm at the national limit.
3. All six-speeders are mated to Quaife torque-sensing diffs, which work on a similar principle to an LSD, but use helical gears and promote less understeer on tighter bends. Most five-speed boxes use open (conventional) diffs and do not put power down as effectively.
The GTO-3 is still a cracking car and can be had for less money, so please don't dismiss it. It really depends what your priorities are.
Simon Hucknall
Press Officer
Noble Automotive Ltd.
Key advantages with the six-speeder are as follows:
1. Ratios more evenly spaced, though first and second gears are slightly higher than in the five-speeder;
2. Taller top gear which runs to 26.5mph per 1000rpm, making it more relaxed on a motorway, for example (2650rpm at 70mph). The five-speeder's top gear will turn the engine at just over 3000rpm at the national limit.
3. All six-speeders are mated to Quaife torque-sensing diffs, which work on a similar principle to an LSD, but use helical gears and promote less understeer on tighter bends. Most five-speed boxes use open (conventional) diffs and do not put power down as effectively.
The GTO-3 is still a cracking car and can be had for less money, so please don't dismiss it. It really depends what your priorities are.
Simon Hucknall
Press Officer
Noble Automotive Ltd.
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