Nitron vs Ohlin ?????
Discussion
So prior to rubber upgrade from current Bridgestone to the Corsa's, I'm going for the suspension upgrade in a month or so.
Complete novice at this sort of stuff but there appears to be two main options here in the Nitron vs Ohlin.
I was chatting to Graeme down at Plans last week and he was trying to talk me into dual adjustable Ohlin dampers, but there is no way I'm spending over £2k on a suspension upgrade particularly when there is a talent vacuum in the driver's seat.
So single way are the way to go but which one?
One opinion given was that the Nitrons are made by four blokes in a shed in Oxfordshire, whereas the Ohlin's are made by a company of 500 plus.
Who's looked into this before and what route did you take?
Cheers,
Simon.
Complete novice at this sort of stuff but there appears to be two main options here in the Nitron vs Ohlin.
I was chatting to Graeme down at Plans last week and he was trying to talk me into dual adjustable Ohlin dampers, but there is no way I'm spending over £2k on a suspension upgrade particularly when there is a talent vacuum in the driver's seat.
So single way are the way to go but which one?
One opinion given was that the Nitrons are made by four blokes in a shed in Oxfordshire, whereas the Ohlin's are made by a company of 500 plus.
Who's looked into this before and what route did you take?
Cheers,
Simon.
Whats the price difference for the one ways?
Ohlins make quality kit, but Nitrons not bad either and good value. Also whilst the ohlins were setup on a dynamic test rig that was for a race car, and not the kind of setup you'd want on the road. I don't know how well it would translate as you'd be wanting softer springs unless you are trailoring your Noble to track. Presumably it was their 2 ways they setup too, so I guess their might be compromises in going to 1 ways where the bump/rebound ratio becomes fixed.
One important consideration is whether firmer setup is going to wear the other suspension parts faster - balljoints, wishbones, bushes & etc.
>> Edited by DanH on Wednesday 31st August 19:25
If no price difference then the best option would be to see if you can drive both?
2 way dampers are all very well if you have the time and ability to set them up, otherwise there is no point in having the adjustment.
If (for example) the Nitrons are £1k and the ohlins are £1.5k then maybe Nitrons + 3 walshy days would make you quicker? Walshy is also a dab hand at setting up dampers and will help you do so on a training day.
The example about the size of the company is rubbish, or you wouldn't be driving a Noble but instead would have a Vauxhall as GM is much bigger
2 way dampers are all very well if you have the time and ability to set them up, otherwise there is no point in having the adjustment.
If (for example) the Nitrons are £1k and the ohlins are £1.5k then maybe Nitrons + 3 walshy days would make you quicker? Walshy is also a dab hand at setting up dampers and will help you do so on a training day.
The example about the size of the company is rubbish, or you wouldn't be driving a Noble but instead would have a Vauxhall as GM is much bigger
Have I stumbled onto the Nathan and Dan chatting forum by accident?
I thought this was a place for Noble owners?
Just jestating................where are some pics of the RS.
Oh and Mathan, I spotted a CSL with fat 6-pots at Bedford on Monday and almost wondered over to say Hi Nathan, but someone told me it wasn't you.
Greg
I thought this was a place for Noble owners?
Just jestating................where are some pics of the RS.
Oh and Mathan, I spotted a CSL with fat 6-pots at Bedford on Monday and almost wondered over to say Hi Nathan, but someone told me it wasn't you.
Greg
Ooh first you have a go and now you want to join in with the mothers meeting!
Anyway both dampers are going to be good. The only other issue I forgot to mention is that once you get some you'll find you want to change the geo which is not easy (its not meant to be adjustable!), and possibly find you want ARBs which you can't attach.
Siban said:
One opinion given was that the Nitrons are made by four blokes in a shed in Oxfordshire.
3 blokes now. Sam has left.
in ohlins' favour : kudos, snob appeal, kudos, erm , erm they're owned by yamaha. who make keyboards ..
in nitron's favour : bliking good value for a pukka pirece of race derived kit from a bloke who's seen it all in the suspension industry.
HTH
I'd go for the single Nitrons. I have enough issues having no adjustment, just having one would be more than enough.
Save the money and spend it on track-sense / Walshy training - it's generally the nut behind the wheel that needs the most attention rather than any nuts on the suspension!
J
Save the money and spend it on track-sense / Walshy training - it's generally the nut behind the wheel that needs the most attention rather than any nuts on the suspension!
J
I have gone the Nitron route, also got the corner weights done at fitting time.
The advantage with these as well is that Walshy spent a lot of time working out the set up for these on the Noble, so have used his settings, big improvement on track, and still nice on the road. (one tip, get them mounted upside down ala Andy glovers set up, makes it very easy to adjust when arriving at the track.
The advantage with these as well is that Walshy spent a lot of time working out the set up for these on the Noble, so have used his settings, big improvement on track, and still nice on the road. (one tip, get them mounted upside down ala Andy glovers set up, makes it very easy to adjust when arriving at the track.
m12_nathan said:
If no price difference then the best option would be to see if you can drive both?
2 way dampers are all very well if you have the time and ability to set them up, otherwise there is no point in having the adjustment.
If (for example) the Nitrons are £1k and the ohlins are £1.5k then maybe Nitrons + 3 walshy days would make you quicker? Walshy is also a dab hand at setting up dampers and will help you do so on a training day.
The example about the size of the company is rubbish, or you wouldn't be driving a Noble but instead would have a Vauxhall as GM is much bigger
Nathan,
I agree in general, if you know nothing about suspension, but it doesn't take much to adjust pre-load, compression and damping on a set of Ohlins. If you are capable of the above (only tools needed are a pair of C spanners) then the Ohlins are the best bet. You can set them up correctly for track and road, and should only take 5 minutes a corner once you know how you want it. It might cost a bit more, but there will be no compramise apart from spring rates. I suggest the Ohlins and 3 Walshy days
(life's for living!) Martin.
PS - having raced Motocross for more than 20 years I know a bit about suspension, and believe me, it's not rocket science.
Not sure your average guy will understand the complications of changing bump and rebound and the effect on the car. EG My car is understeering a bit in low speed corners, what do I do?
Much easier to let the experts set the ratio then just go up and down to fine tune the handling (for an average punter rather than someone who's spent 20 years playing )
Much easier to let the experts set the ratio then just go up and down to fine tune the handling (for an average punter rather than someone who's spent 20 years playing
)alex s said:
(one tip, get them mounted upside down ala Andy glovers set up, makes it very easy to adjust when arriving at the track.
Err not a good tip. Nitrons will tell you this way water collects beneath the rubber bump stop and slowly corodes the top (but now bottom) end of the rod.
Regards
Paul C
joust said:
And also, surely that makes the bounce the rebound and the rebound the bounce from a valve perspective - surely not a good idea?? (but not sure)
J
I don't think so, they are closed sealed airless hydraulic systems and the weight of the valve diaphragms is minimal so I think they work in any orientation.
Regards
Paul C
So from a price perspective the cheapest I've seen the Nitrons so far are from Matt @ FP @ £1k. The price I've been quoted for the single way Ohlins is £1200+vat. That's a big difference. I want the car tailored for road seeing as that's where it's spends most of it's life, but want to firm it up for track.
Dan's point about the impact on other parts is a good one......I've resigned myself to replacing stuff like the ball joints a couple of times a year anyway.
I did one of the Walshy days last year.....bloody good I must say.......sounds like Andy was involved in development?
So general concensus seems to be go with the Nitrons.....thanks for all the help
Dan's point about the impact on other parts is a good one......I've resigned myself to replacing stuff like the ball joints a couple of times a year anyway.
I did one of the Walshy days last year.....bloody good I must say.......sounds like Andy was involved in development?
So general concensus seems to be go with the Nitrons.....thanks for all the help
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