M400 Tyres for WET track and road use
Discussion
I've scoured the forum postings but can't find the definitive answer for the "BEST M400 tyre for WET track day and road use" which has to include the use of the tyres for the drive to and from the track.
Has anyone got real experience with this as I'm considering fitting another set onto the my spare set of wheels and haven't got a clue what to choose.
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RIchard
Has anyone got real experience with this as I'm considering fitting another set onto the my spare set of wheels and haven't got a clue what to choose.
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RIchard
joust said:
I've often thought the Corsa System ones would be the best compromise (ala what they OEM on Ferraris)
J
Not sure they are the right size, but I'm very happy with my systems at the moment (they are OEM on the RS too). Apparently its the same compound, but has deeper tread and more clearance channels.
While we are aware of the Corsa Motorsport's limitations in the wet, the only time you really need to be wary is when there is standing water on track or road - and even then, you'd need to be driving fairly quickly to provoke aquaplaning.
On wet surfaces without standing water, the Corsa Motorsports are still competent and - more importantly - predicatable.
Simon Hucknall
Press Officer
Noble Automotive Ltd.
On wet surfaces without standing water, the Corsa Motorsports are still competent and - more importantly - predicatable.
Simon Hucknall
Press Officer
Noble Automotive Ltd.
Simon,
Could you comment on lighter weight wheels with strength for high speed work on the M400. One of my other cars is a GT2 and between the hollow spoke wheels and ceramic brakes the unsprung weight reduction made dramatic handling improvements.
This improvement I imagine would translate to low mass cars like the M400 as long as I do not monkey the geometry.
What think?
Could you comment on lighter weight wheels with strength for high speed work on the M400. One of my other cars is a GT2 and between the hollow spoke wheels and ceramic brakes the unsprung weight reduction made dramatic handling improvements.
This improvement I imagine would translate to low mass cars like the M400 as long as I do not monkey the geometry.
What think?
I spent today at Silverstone in the rain with lots of standing water. I am on worn SO3's and found it very slippy, could get some grip off the racing line but was having huge understeer all day. Really didn't like it to start with as I didn't at Rockingham, but actually started to enjoy myself after a few sessions. I realised you just have to drive through the understeer and pull yourself round the corner even though it feels like you are full unstuck on ice.
Thoroughly enjoyed it and managed not to bin it!!
Back to the point, I was speaking to another Nobler who thought the corsas were by far the best wet tyre for a NOble, he has them on his 3R with no other adjustments and was one of the quickest all day at Rockingham.
I am looking forward to giving some 048's a go.
GN
Thoroughly enjoyed it and managed not to bin it!!
Back to the point, I was speaking to another Nobler who thought the corsas were by far the best wet tyre for a NOble, he has them on his 3R with no other adjustments and was one of the quickest all day at Rockingham.
I am looking forward to giving some 048's a go.
GN
Mr Noble said:
Back to the point, I was speaking to another Nobler who thought the corsas were by far the best wet tyre for a NOble, he has them on his 3R with no other adjustments and was one of the quickest all day at Rockingham.
No way! S03's are much better in the wet (if it's properly wet, not just a little damp). Also, if it's motorsports he's got I'd bet he'll be running around on the bump stops on standard springs etc...
ThatPhilBrettGuy said:
Back to the point, I was speaking to another Nobler who thought the corsas were by far the best wet tyre for a NOble, he has them on his 3R with no other adjustments and was one of the quickest all day at Rockingham.
No way! S03's are much better in the wet (if it's properly wet, not just a little damp). Also, if it's motorsports he's got I'd bet he'll be running around on the bump stops on standard springs etc...
Only if he's actually cornering quickly
He was the chap in TX 17 at Rockingham. When he was driving the car it was seriously fast and it is a fully standard 3R with corsas.
He turned up in the afternoon todad in his Maserati 4200 in a suit and was as fast as most cars there and even I had trouble keeping up with him in my Noble!! Imagine that!!
GN
He turned up in the afternoon todad in his Maserati 4200 in a suit and was as fast as most cars there and even I had trouble keeping up with him in my Noble!! Imagine that!!
GN
I'll back you up here Greg!! Mr TX 17 was quick for sure. I don't know where he got his minerals from in the wet! I need a day at Bedford or similiar to get to grips with the M400 in the wet. To much concrete at Rockingham for my taste!
It was quite funny I recall Joust begin a little stunned at TX17's pace when he came into the paddock. I think he felt a bit better when he saw the Corsa's on the car.
It was quite funny I recall Joust begin a little stunned at TX17's pace when he came into the paddock. I think he felt a bit better when he saw the Corsa's on the car.
I had this chap in my car on the last Rockingham track day. After he (tried to) follow me. He was very interested why my 3R (on Corsa's) was cornering quicker than he could.
After taking him around for a couple of laps in my car and then examining my Corsa tyres he confirmed it was an upgrade worth doing for himself.
At signing in last week the chap driving TX 17 (sorry I Don't recall your name) asked if I had done anymore mods to mine, and how pleased he was with the Corsa tyres he had now fitted.
From my experience of the wet Rockingham on Corsa tyres was in the very opening sessions when it was really quite wet, that it was impossible to generate any heat in the tyres. Mine are really worn down with outside edges on the rears quite smooth. However, they gave great feedback all the time in the wet. Yes, you could spin the rears in 4th gear if you wanted, but they were very progressive from grip to slip on both front and rear.
In the damp, when the tyres started to get some temperature, they really start to come into their own. In the dry and up to temperature, they are just stunning. I have run them as a track day tyre only, for 2 years now doing around 5 - 6 track days per year. Only now will I have to think about replacing them......with another set.
Cheers,
Ian.
After taking him around for a couple of laps in my car and then examining my Corsa tyres he confirmed it was an upgrade worth doing for himself.
At signing in last week the chap driving TX 17 (sorry I Don't recall your name) asked if I had done anymore mods to mine, and how pleased he was with the Corsa tyres he had now fitted.
From my experience of the wet Rockingham on Corsa tyres was in the very opening sessions when it was really quite wet, that it was impossible to generate any heat in the tyres. Mine are really worn down with outside edges on the rears quite smooth. However, they gave great feedback all the time in the wet. Yes, you could spin the rears in 4th gear if you wanted, but they were very progressive from grip to slip on both front and rear.
In the damp, when the tyres started to get some temperature, they really start to come into their own. In the dry and up to temperature, they are just stunning. I have run them as a track day tyre only, for 2 years now doing around 5 - 6 track days per year. Only now will I have to think about replacing them......with another set.
Cheers,
Ian.
Ian, I
In the dry do you not hit the bump stops, i put corsa's on my 3 and upgraded the setup to nitrons due to bump stop issues. Got to say the nitrons make a huge difference on track, and let you fully use the corsa's ablity (in the dry).
Or maybe mine being a older car the standard units had just "relaxed" a lot more.
Alex
In the dry do you not hit the bump stops, i put corsa's on my 3 and upgraded the setup to nitrons due to bump stop issues. Got to say the nitrons make a huge difference on track, and let you fully use the corsa's ablity (in the dry).
Or maybe mine being a older car the standard units had just "relaxed" a lot more.
Alex
I recall TX 17 being one of the many cars that passed me!
Has anyone put Corsa's on a 2.5 ? If so are there bump stop issues with them and are nitrons the answer.
I was very careful in the wet even with so3's on it being my first time on track in the Noble and first outing for 20 years but in the afternoon they were working very hard I know the car would have been much faster in the bends with better rubber. Also had a minor issue of an ingested front lamba sensor which didn't help.
Has anyone put Corsa's on a 2.5 ? If so are there bump stop issues with them and are nitrons the answer.
I was very careful in the wet even with so3's on it being my first time on track in the Noble and first outing for 20 years but in the afternoon they were working very hard I know the car would have been much faster in the bends with better rubber. Also had a minor issue of an ingested front lamba sensor which didn't help.
washy said:
It was quite funny I recall Joust begin a little stunned at TX17's pace when he came into the paddock. I think he felt a bit better when he saw the Corsa's on the car.
Hmm can't recall TX17 overtaking me. Then again, nearly everything did in the morning (although very few did in the afternoon). Had my Corsas up at 20/30 in the morning and found them very uncommunicative and unpredicatable when cold. Once some heat was in they were fine and once hot(in the pm) they were brilliant. At the end of the afternoon found I had the same issue as Chillidog- oil soaked and blown BOV filter with oil dripping onto gearcox casing. Definitely in need of a catch-tank. Did you find this with yours?
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