Fire Extinguisher Mount
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That's where mine is. DanH said:
drivers side pocket? I had a nice one from Halfords that fitted perfectly.
Are there no motorsport regs about how big the extinguisher should be? To fit in the pocket it would need to be pretty small I'd have thought?
we're not talking motorpsports are we. If we are yes there are a whole host of regs. I thought we were "sensible thing to have close at hand" for road and track driving.
Hmm suppose for track days they are supposed to be screwed down.
Regards
PauL C
I have to question the use of a small hand held extinguisher in a Noble, by the time you've noticed a fire and got the rear clam up (assuming most fires will be engine related) it may be too late for a little hand held one? a plumbed one at behind the passenger seat and firing into the engine bay would be a better bet maybe?
paulcundy said:
drivers side pocket? I had a nice one from Halfords that fitted perfectly.
Are there no motorsport regs about how big the extinguisher should be? To fit in the pocket it would need to be pretty small I'd have thought?
we're not talking motorpsports are we. If we are yes there are a whole host of regs. I thought we were "sensible thing to have close at hand" for road and track driving.
Hmm suppose for track days they are supposed to be screwed down.
Regards
PauL C
I just wasn't sure if it would be any use. The one that came with my car is enormous, and although not plumbed in still makes the little one I used to have in my noble look a bit silly.
m12_nathan said:
I have to question the use of a small hand held extinguisher in a Noble, by the time you've noticed a fire and got the rear clam up (assuming most fires will be engine related) it may be too late for a little hand held one? a plumbed one at behind the passenger seat and firing into the engine bay would be a better bet maybe?
Good point Nathan but the way I look at it the small extinguisher inside my cabin is there more to get me out "unsinged" than to save the car that's insured anyway!
There are various regs for motorsport and at different levels. Off the top of my head I can only confirm the rallying requirements and they are, I think, the most stringent. We have to run a minimum of a 2.25 litre mechanically or electrically operated full discharge system and carry a 1.75 litre handheld in the cabin. Discharge of the plumbed system must be able to be achieved by either the occupants or someone outside the car.
I always advise and install a 4 litre electrically operated system with 2 outputs toward electrical and fuel systems and 2 outputs aimed at the driver and co-driver. The electric systems are more reliable, having no T pulls to snap off or cables to get damaged in a heavy impact. They are battery operated and we change this every event.
The manual extinguisher will remain a 1.75 or 2.25 litre affair.
In my opinion those small halfords jobs are only up to putting out say a small electrical fire under the dash. Worthwhile but pretty useless for other firefighting duties.
If this is not for motorsport use I would try and get hold of a halon extinguisher. They've been banned by the FIA for use in motorsports and replaced with AFFF but were far superior at putting out fires than the new stuff.
HTH
Graham
I always advise and install a 4 litre electrically operated system with 2 outputs toward electrical and fuel systems and 2 outputs aimed at the driver and co-driver. The electric systems are more reliable, having no T pulls to snap off or cables to get damaged in a heavy impact. They are battery operated and we change this every event.
The manual extinguisher will remain a 1.75 or 2.25 litre affair.
In my opinion those small halfords jobs are only up to putting out say a small electrical fire under the dash. Worthwhile but pretty useless for other firefighting duties.
If this is not for motorsport use I would try and get hold of a halon extinguisher. They've been banned by the FIA for use in motorsports and replaced with AFFF but were far superior at putting out fires than the new stuff.
HTH
Graham
broad said:
There are various regs for motorsport and at different levels. Off the top of my head I can only confirm the rallying requirements and they are, I think, the most stringent. We have to run a minimum of a 2.25 litre mechanically or electrically operated full discharge system and carry a 1.75 litre handheld in the cabin. Discharge of the plumbed system must be able to be achieved by either the occupants or someone outside the car.
I always advise and install a 4 litre electrically operated system with 2 outputs toward electrical and fuel systems and 2 outputs aimed at the driver and co-driver. The electric systems are more reliable, having no T pulls to snap off or cables to get damaged in a heavy impact. They are battery operated and we change this every event.
The manual extinguisher will remain a 1.75 or 2.25 litre affair.
In my opinion those small halfords jobs are only up to putting out say a small electrical fire under the dash. Worthwhile but pretty useless for other firefighting duties.
If this is not for motorsport use I would try and get hold of a halon extinguisher. They've been banned by the FIA for use in motorsports and replaced with AFFF but were far superior at putting out fires than the new stuff.
HTH
Graham
Why was halon banned? Any side effects we should know about?
m12_nathan said:Mine is rated to give 40 seconds of continous output which I considered enough as if it's more than that then it's going to be a serious insurance job anyway!
I have to question the use of a small hand held extinguisher in a Noble, by the time you've noticed a fire and got the rear clam up (assuming most fires will be engine related) it may be too late for a little hand held one? a plumbed one at behind the passenger seat and firing into the engine bay would be a better bet maybe?
J
I had one of the small hand held ones from Halfords, which i used to try to put out a fire that had just started in a MGF at a service station (well she was an attractive lady in need!) the Fire was in the engine bay and it was a complete waste of time. Had very little, if any effect. As was metioned earlier in this thread they are probably only any use for a very small electrical fire.
What sort was the hand held? I used a 1.75 AFFF to put out a small oil fire earlier in the year and it was more then enough. The specialist who sold me the replacement recommended dry powder as it has better knock-down properties, but it is a bit more tricky to use and makes a huge mess of carpets etc.
I think it really depends on the type of fire with AFFF. A few years back we were welding a cage in a Production Class Impreza and the roof lining caught alight (they had to run with full internal trim including rear seats, carpet etc !!!) Luckily the AFFF handheld was very close by but it was very slow to knock the flames out as we chased them around the roof !!
I know that Milner, Dale and others competing in factory cars on the British Championship() have had total losses because their AFFF were incapable of knocking out innocuous looking fires that took hold. All this despite emptying the entire contents of their extinguishers and those of following competitors and event safety crews.
AFFF - good for the environment, not so good for flames !!!
G
I know that Milner, Dale and others competing in factory cars on the British Championship() have had total losses because their AFFF were incapable of knocking out innocuous looking fires that took hold. All this despite emptying the entire contents of their extinguishers and those of following competitors and event safety crews.
AFFF - good for the environment, not so good for flames !!!
G
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