occasional problem
occasional problem
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fastandfurious

Original Poster:

26 posts

248 months

Wednesday 7th June 2006
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Had the noble for a few weeks now and done over 1000 miles.
On two occasions when accelerating hard in third the car has done a sudden lurch as if the engine had completely died for possibly half a second and then picked up again continuing to accelerate with no apparent further problems.there is no misfire and odinarily she runs very well.As it is this intermittent I can imagine it would be difficult to diagnose or replicate.

The car was serviced when I bought her.
It is the 3.0 gto.

Any ideas anyone?

plipton

1,302 posts

287 months

Wednesday 7th June 2006
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Do you have a BOV? If not it might be the rubber inlet pipe from the IC to the air box collapsing under vacuum when it's hot (and it gets very hot in the engine bay). Once the boost builds it pops out again and airflow is restored.

Noblemods and Vegantune do a hard pipe kit to overcome this problem

robp

2,097 posts

270 months

Wednesday 7th June 2006
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Maybe same problem as was reported a few threads ago? If so, solution below from the Oracle:

Joust said:
Check all your breater and vacuum tubes. Sounds exactly like the vacuum tube that goes into the inlet manifold just under the throttle body has fallen off. I cable tied mine on as it kept on falling off and doing exactly what you describe.

fastandfurious

Original Poster:

26 posts

248 months

Wednesday 7th June 2006
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wow, that was quick.

No BOV fitted although I had been thinking of getting one.

I am a bit of a numpty when it comes to what is what under the hood, but I will have a look tommorow.I have got to go to work shortly.

Thanks guy's for the prompt responses

Ash M400

3,836 posts

270 months

Wednesday 7th June 2006
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robp said:
Maybe same problem as was reported a few threads ago? If so, solution below from the Oracle:

Joust said:
Check all your breater and vacuum tubes. Sounds exactly like the vacuum tube that goes into the inlet manifold just under the throttle body has fallen off. I cable tied mine on as it kept on falling off and doing exactly what you describe.



I agree, may be coming loose. Mine showed the same sypmtom untill it lost all power between 4 and 5k.

V6GTO

11,579 posts

271 months

Wednesday 7th June 2006
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It wouldn't correct itself if it was a vaccuum hose coming off...it'd run like a dog untill it was fixed.

Martin.

joust

14,622 posts

288 months

Wednesday 7th June 2006
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V6GTO said:
It wouldn't correct itself if it was a vaccuum hose coming off...it'd run like a dog untill it was fixed.
Martin.
They do if they are 'half' off. It doesn't just suddenly go, they start to work loose and that lets air in more and more until they finally fall off.

The vacuum tubes are easy to spot, they are about 10mm wide, black, and have white plastic "T" joints.

Other thing to check is what is the total mileage? If it's over 10-15,000 or so get the plugs replaced as, although they are platinum, they do degrade and it could be them starting to fail.

J

Ash M400

3,836 posts

270 months

Wednesday 7th June 2006
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joust said:
V6GTO said:
It wouldn't correct itself if it was a vaccuum hose coming off...it'd run like a dog untill it was fixed.
Martin.
They do if they are 'half' off. It doesn't just suddenly go, they start to work loose and that lets air in more and more until they finally fall off.

The vacuum tubes are easy to spot, they are about 10mm wide, black, and have white plastic "T" joints.

Other thing to check is what is the total mileage? If it's over 10-15,000 or so get the plugs replaced as, although they are platinum, they do degrade and it could be them starting to fail.

J


Agree

AMG Merc

11,955 posts

282 months

Wednesday 7th June 2006
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joust said:
get the plugs replaced as, although they are platinum, they do degrade and it could be them starting to fail.

J


Silly question time but how many plugs are there (I got the Merc serviced recently and it seems to have 12)?!

joust

14,622 posts

288 months

Wednesday 7th June 2006
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One per cylinder, 6.

J

gadgeroonie

5,362 posts

265 months

Wednesday 7th June 2006
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it could be that the boost is just tripping the boost limit on the ecu and the car shuts down

another thing to check is the plug gap - if the gaps are too big the spark can be blown out

JLSELAN

405 posts

262 months

Thursday 8th June 2006
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It is fairly common for electrical problems (with plugs, coils, etc) to show up at high rpm under load, but such problems will not be transient. That is, once the problem starts, it can only be resolved by reducing power/acceleration. Sounds more like a boost "hiccup" of some sort.

fastandfurious

Original Poster:

26 posts

248 months

Thursday 8th June 2006
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Thanks again everybody.
Had a look today.Found an L shaped rubber connector from the vacuum tubes that goes under the throttle body was about half off. Otherwise everything seems ok.
Shall see if that does the trick but could take some time to confirm.

joust

14,622 posts

288 months

Thursday 8th June 2006
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that's the one. Let us know.

J

V6GTO

11,579 posts

271 months

Thursday 8th June 2006
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Pretty certain it wont happen again now.

Martin.

fastandfurious

Original Poster:

26 posts

248 months

Thursday 8th June 2006
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Is it possible to push that connector on too far.
When I went to start the car it was missing and black smoke coming from the exhausts.
I got the clam up, fiddled with the connector again with the engine running until she was idling smoothly again.
Very odd!
Took her out for a run and seems ok.

joust

14,622 posts

288 months

Thursday 8th June 2006
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Yes. If you push it all the way in you block it off. It should be about 5mm away from full in. You can put a cable tie around it to stop it moving.

J

fastandfurious

Original Poster:

26 posts

248 months

Sunday 11th June 2006
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Help!
Going to work this afternoon, she started missing, at idle fine for a few seconds then revs down then back up.
Through all gears really bad.Just nursed her home splutering most of the way.
Vacuum hoses look all right.Wifey thought she could smell burning rubber when I got Home!
I dont know whether to think electrical, fuel (there is plenty in it) or what?I notice another thread with stuffed fuel pump-can this be checked by listening for the fuel pump buzz when first switching ignition on?

Problem, the dealer I bought her at is about 150 miles away although I have another about 20 miles away.

Do you think it would work having an ordinary garage technician to try to diagnose the problem (local garage 1 mile down the road)

I have only had her for a couple of months and 1000 miles.
Car has done 11,000 total and three years old.

I really need the car for work- very hacked off at the moment.

Any great oracle give a newbee more advice?

kentviking

577 posts

269 months

Monday 12th June 2006
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Is it a 2.5L...and has it had the ecu upgrade. a failing ecu or lambda sensors might account for some erratic revving and stalling

fastandfurious

Original Poster:

26 posts

248 months

Monday 12th June 2006
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no the 3.0l
Just been outside to her.
On turning on ignition hear the buzz of the fuel pump but on a couple of tries heard that tailing off with a strange sort of "whirrrrr" for maybe three or four seconds.Doesnt do it every time.
Intermittent fuel pump problem possibly?

Edited by fastandfurious on Monday 12th June 07:41